sixwheeledbeast Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Tamp no confirm is only for the same device, so if the device goes active, then a tamper from the same device will not cause a confirmed alarm, however a tamper from another device in the confirmation window will. I don't believe this is correct. A tamper from another device will send a tamper after the first intruder, the ARC will see the two pins and respond as a confirmed. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistle Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't believe this is correct. A tamper from another device will send a tamper after the first intruder, the ARC will see the two pins and respond as a confirmed. This is what happened to us. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMealing Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I don't believe this is correct. A tamper from another device will send a tamper after the first intruder, the ARC will see the two pins and respond as a confirmed. Sorry i misunderstand what you are saying, what you have said should be confirmed, Alarm from device 1 tamper from device 2 = confirmed alarm. What i have said is tamper from device 1 followed by alarm from device 1 or vice versa does not equal confirmed. amealing@texe.com Head of Industry Affairs Visit Our Website Texecom Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amps Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Lol what a mess Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 FIGHT! Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 This is what happened to us. Same here, I say this from experience. Sorry i misunderstand what you are saying, what you have said should be confirmed, Alarm from device 1 tamper from device 2 = confirmed alarm. What i have said is tamper from device 1 followed by alarm from device 1 or vice versa does not equal confirmed. To clarify. Two Guard zones 007 and 008 (for example). If 007 is triggered and goes active an intruder pin is fired. Then if 008 is tampered a tamper pin is fired not a confirmed pin. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMealing Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Same here, I say this from experience. To clarify. Two Guard zones 007 and 008 (for example). If 007 is triggered and goes active an intruder pin is fired. Then if 008 is tampered a tamper pin is fired not a confirmed pin. Then use proper signalling , pins should be shot, surviving pins should be shot again, and then buried with the rest of the dinosaurs. If a tamper signal cannot contribute to a confirmed activation, what's the point of tampers? It's parts of the standards like this that are trying to educate the industry to stop using outdated nonsensical technology. amealing@texe.com Head of Industry Affairs Visit Our Website Texecom Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Then use proper signalling , pins should be shot, surviving pins should be shot again, and then buried with the rest of the dinosaurs. If a tamper signal cannot contribute to a confirmed activation, what's the point of tampers? It's parts of the standards like this that are trying to educate the industry to stop using outdated nonsensical technology. I am not complaining, I am explaining what happens. (on Premier panels, I might add!) Either way the correct action is taken at the ARC, I see no issue. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMealing Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I am not complaining, I am explaining what happens. (on Premier panels, I might add!) Either way the correct action is taken at the ARC, I see no issue. Good, as long as we are happy, pins are still **** though amealing@texe.com Head of Industry Affairs Visit Our Website Texecom Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/37552-signalling-question/page/2/#findComment-402350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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