datadiffusion Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) In theory yes he should, but something tells me it's not so much a package as a handful of grade 1 door contacts and optex savers chucked into a box... I don't know this panel, does it have a global tamper aswell? Not as such, all 16 on board zones (its a handy panel, with on board ethernet and very reliable serial webway support too) are fully programmable EOL. But you can program any number as a 'global tamper' or simply a tamper (but cannot assign them as a 'tamper to' other zones as such) As I said to someone the other day, it says a lot that Cooper / Eatons latest product is a fully CC 10 zone expander. EOL obviously a bit much then. Hmmm, I'm saying all this, maybe it does have an 8 zone CC mode. Never looked, never needed to. Def. all EOL out the box. Edited July 17, 2014 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks-UK Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi, I've registered with the tech support guys 'cooper security' and they seem to be quite rubbish in terms of support, explained the situation to them and they guy on the other end seemed quite clueless. The pir's and door contacts are definitely made by 'OPTEX'. I have the instructions infront of me. The 'current draw' on the pir's is '8mA (normal), 11mA (max) at 12VDC. The pir's have 8 terminals (4 pairs), 2 for 12 VDC + -, 2 SP (spare), 2 NC Alarm and 2 NC Tamper. It doesn't say anything about any resistors The PIR's are 'OPTEX SAVER' thats the exact model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks-UK Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 The door contacts are by 'CQR SC570/WH/MULTI/G2 or G3', my bad, sorry. They have 3 terminals in them, 2 for 12v + - and one spare, it also says to cut one of the links to make it a tamper so I've done that on all of them...not sure if I should have done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) OP, I cant see any optex contacts on the EU website See hee for how EOL resistors work... http://www.gargoylesecurity.com/DownloadableFILES/End%20Of%20Line%20Resistor.pdf Its not perfect and the lack of pictures is lame but its a start You do NOT need 12V to the door contacts! The CQR SC570 are OK. I've got them in my home (and only at home, I don't fit them as a rule) You will not need to fit resistors to these. Just cut two wires. The manuals should explain. For scantronic, the shunt is 4.7K and the loop is 2.2K Edited July 17, 2014 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The door contacts are by 'CQR SC570/WH/MULTI/G2 or G3', my bad, sorry. They have 3 terminals in them, 2 for 12v + - and one spare, it also says to cut one of the links to make it a tamper so I've done that on all of them...not sure if I should have done that. Hmm, you seem a bit out of your depth here... Some quick pointers... Door contacts don't have power. CQR Multi has links that you cut for different values. I assume Scantronic are still using 4K7 alarm, 2K2 tamper. The Optex Savers are good PIR's, although they do not have EOL resistors built in; so you will need the resistors supplied. Please refer to the manual on how to install the resistors in the sensors. When you say 4 pair I assume you mean 8 core alarm cable? You need to find out the total system current, I know Optex Saver's are 11mA max so that's a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks-UK Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Guys, Regarding door contacts, I don't have the instruction manual with me nor am I on site, I remember three terminals with one spare and cutting one link on the contact...I shouldn't have said it was for power, just assumed, wrongly ofcourse. I've read the link sent by datadifussion on EOL resistors and I understand I should put them in, I have the instruction manual that has come with the Optex saver but there are no instructions on fitting resistors... and to clarify, I have connected the cable to the two terminals on the door contacts, have cut a link too but have not connected on the control panel side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Afraid as per swb this is a fairly complex panel, programming it will need a lot of thought... If you can I'd take a battery, the panel, keypad, and ethernet cable and a laptop to a quiet corner of somewhere and have a play. Avoid the cooper UDL it will only cause more confusion, it is not laid out in a particularly user friendly pattern. You'll have far more joy with the built in webserver. But you'll need to set this up which has a little manual of its own available from cooper. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks-UK Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Guys, Thanks for all the replies and info (especially datadifussion), I think I'm going to call in a professional to finish the job. I underestimated the amount of technical know how needed for the job and right now I just need the job done so any recommendations for the South West London area..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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al-yeti Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/forum/268-uk-security-installers-by-regional-police-force/ Beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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