aismoresecur Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Now Mr Texecom has opened his gob about it i find from him its a bit hypocritical seeing his company is happy to sell the most popular diy panel on the market namely the Veritas 8. Excellent point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirectFS Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 for the rest see belowhttp://newsletter.proactivpubs.co.uk/NewsT...p;ArticleID=751 This comes from Jaqui Smith's "Burglary Pack" idea. You need to phone a number, order a "burglary Pack" and they will send as part of this, a voucher for "home security supplies" from a major DIY retailer. Allegedly, it was intended to be used as part payment against things such as locks and bolts in the main. As many well intended DIYers have found, to their cost, the DIY route, especially through B&Q specials, often leaves more problems than it solves. We all know, in this forum, that good intruder alarm, CCTV, or Access control/door entry, take skills not normally found in your average DIYer, no matter how competent. There is a skill in design, in knowing the standards, in knowing how to apply them, and ultimately in knowing how to install properly the well designed, standards compliant system. The other flip on this coin is that we all understand the need for maintenance too. None of this, however, gets transmitted across in the DIY arena - instead finding that systems install is easy, fit it and forget it, press a simple button, and see the intruders run. If only. Whilst it is annoying that the government, and the retail warehouses all see our industry as easy pickings, by the same token, nobody would allow a new motorist out in a car on their own, without first proving they're competent to drive it safely (and even that fails routinely). We also have a part to play in allowing this to happen, collectively, as an industry. Our attempts generally, as with any other aspect of our business, to train and educate are abysmal. Some, typically smaller, companies excel at educating and informing customers, new and old. Others fail miserably. The point is, I think, that we as an industry could do a lot more to promote our services - again, caveated by the fact that many companies do - it just isn't consistent. I don't think the offering of a voucher in itself will make much of a dent in the industry - it's hard enough to find the details on the Home Office site - but the whole notion that Mr Smith, Jones, or whomever, can simply pick up a kit for intruder, CCTV, or such and "fit n forget" is contentious at best. However, what alternatives do the government have, in an industry with only self regulation, faced with the need to increase safety and security awareness, with limited resources, and faced also with an industry that does little (as a whole, not as a specific) to promote fully the need to have a professional, skilled, and competent installer? Controversial view? Maybe, but the evidence is there. Bill. Bill Accord Fire & Security Services Ltd. www.accordfire.co.uk ~ TEL: 0845 474 5839 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 They have been doing this with approved firms for years, two areas of Oldham get this done, anyone can have an approved alarm installed [even if they own the home] FOC. Then there is rochdale council who own their own SSAIB Firm and install monitored alarms in every council house and building FOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJBsec Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Then there is rochdale council who own their own SSAIB Firm and install monitored alarms in every council house and building FOC. Sucks, but at least it's an effort to do it properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miaren Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I must admit I'm getting cheesed off with the lack of support for a small business, whether it be a small self employed installer, or high street shop, both trying their best day in day out, to offer a good service/products - and the lack of support for us from them PR@TTS( read gov't ) in charge. They'll give help to music-cafes ant the like but not help the existing strugglers. Yet another "Good" idea but personally, yet another hair brained scheme to solve a problem......(I must think of an idea to make my name!?) I'm a small installer, and have worked for years to installation standards. Why can't these muppets ask businesses like us whether we would like to get involved in a scheme or not, after all they know where we are when it comes to NI, VAT, Personal Tax etc. I would quite happily accept a "voucher" if the systems were in place to "cash-em-in". It would build a local community supprted by a local engineer / company.. Apologies for the rant..I feel better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I must admit I'm getting cheesed off with the lack of support for a small business, whether it be a small self employed installer, or high street shop, both trying their best day in day out, to offer a good service/products - and the lack of support for us from them PR@TTS( read gov't ) in charge. They'll give help to music-cafes ant the like but not help the existing strugglers. Yet another "Good" idea but personally, yet another hair brained scheme to solve a problem......(I must think of an idea to make my name!?) I'm a small installer, and have worked for years to installation standards. Why can't these muppets ask businesses like us whether we would like to get involved in a scheme or not, after all they know where we are when it comes to NI, VAT, Personal Tax etc. I would quite happily accept a "voucher" if the systems were in place to "cash-em-in". It would build a local community supprted by a local engineer / company.. Apologies for the rant..I feel better now. I feel the same as you but the voucher will probbs only be worth maybe ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Sucks, but at least it's an effort to do it properly. Agreed I feel the same as you but the voucher will probbs only be worth maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aismoresecur Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 This voucher will only be worth 30-40 pounds......who from the government mentioned electronic security. It may only be for window and door locks. not theses crappy yale or micromark sh1te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Fife council are giving money to council tennants to secure their houses. A standard system covering the house and they have to get 2 security lights installed front and back. All for ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aismoresecur Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Fife council are giving money to council tennants to secure their houses. A standard system covering the house and they have to get 2 security lights installed front and back. All for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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