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Yes, if it was my own system I would definitely upgrade, and also the new panel will have a more efficient switched mode PSU AFAIK.
Adrian will confirm but isn't Ricochet easier to manage with the Elite panels?
Yes it is, it also allows use of more of the later device types, for example, sounders, external PIR, Internal Dualtech, smopke detector and the like are not supported pre elite.
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The Premier & Elite are completely different animals. Both hardware and software are different. Also the power supply, so if you are going to swap it out, you will need to change everything not just the PCB. If you can detail what you are thinking of adding to the system you can be better guided.
It is not possible to flash a Premier with Elite firmware, different micro processor.
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Confirmed PA is not mandatory, only required if the local force insist OR if response has been lost due to previous false activations, double push PA will be fine on a separate URN.
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yes complete ****, like an iphone or the glow in the dark bellbox...
Ok you got me, nobody wants those, and the sales on both are really awful
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an intruder alarm which is plugged in
an intruder alarm which is dependent on mains being present
an intruder alarm which projects though walls
an intruder alarm which is dependent on the home router being up
an intruder alarm which is dependent on the end user having connective
aka ****
probably be bought out by google next yr & in every switch & socket within 5yr...
So not **** then, sounds like they are onto a winner to me, Google will pay **** loads for it.
I thought it was a great idea. just the sort of thing JP will lap up.
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But the smart phone stuff doesn't conform to NSI, Texecom are doing a firmware update that doesn't allow setting if there's been activity on a zone within five minutes of you trying to set the system from your phone so what's the point of that you may as well prox out as you go, don't get me wrong I love tech, but IP intruder alarms are a bit of a turn off for me and I can't really see it as a selling point for new systems other than for notifications, but what do I know I thought EBay was gonna be a flash in the pan!
Smartphone stuff does comply with the standards, it does not have to comply to NSI, They don't make the rules, they just inspect too the standards we all use. No idea where the 5 minutes comes from, the only requirement is to sound internal sounders for the exit duration when arming remotely, and to log who used a remote device. Previous firmware would remote arm instantly which could cause false activations if someone is still in the building. Highly unlikely in my opinion, but it could happen.
Firmware was launched last week that allows the required capability. Thing is everybody expects anything electrical they buy to have an app, whether they use it or not is a different matter. Its all part of the buying decision and not having it seems to most to be a negative.
I have been testing our system for years now, never once armed the system with my phone except during testing. I use a fob as its on the keys I will use to lock the door and open the car. Notifications are useful when i am working away, at least i know if the last one out of the house has actually armed the system.
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****...
Explain
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I guess you must have seen the Colston fire pics Adrian?
Good to see all the cable in wire baskets tbh, but how the hell the fire got out of control like that I can't imagine...
I was driving through the centre of town about 40 mins after it started, smoke everywhere
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exit routes need metal fixings, IIRC the spacings ain't stated ?
5839 states spacings but your meant to fit as stated by the manufacture.
Ventcroft say metal fixing-
V 300mm
H 400mm
Tray 1500mm (I take "tray" to be supported inside a Horizontal a tray/ basket not vertical or under / outside)
I was pretty sure the reg said escape routes and not exit routes. The reasons for this is, i believe, that not all escape routes are marked as an exit, for example a window.
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What about the new requirements for containment of cables in escape routes, does this come into play in your current situation? if it does then whether its accessible or not is irelevant i would think.
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It's in the spec, states the IR120 will learn heating patterns during the first 14 days of operation.
There is no need of an RTC for relative timekeeping.
Probably just makes itself less sensitive, so no false alarms but probably reduced catch performance, there is only so much that can be done at a certain price point.
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basic app is free
my test system is still waiting to produce a polling fail several weeks after I unplugged it
unless I'm mistaken basic apps shows your udl code...
Only if you dont encrypt it using the Engineers App..................
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http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030295318
Makes me laugh to think BS4737 is far from dead...
It will be an EN soon but this was the quickest way of sorting out issues in the UK. There really is some awful cable being used, and as usual its that last place people look, especially when they did not do the first fix.
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Who's rolled out the big guns?
Not me just intrigued by this thread and where its going
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Ok manufacturer here, in your first post you use the word interrogate, i need to understand the context of this word before i will answer. Your answer to this question is critical in me actually understanding the point.
So interrogate what exactly, and why is the question specifically about detection devices?
There are many other devices that are wireless and that can operate with an alarm system. (not just intruder, there are numerous types of alarm as i am sure you are aware)
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"...True that, but at least we try and protect our clients unlike some......." Good to see that comment but what do you do to prevent a "..front door bottom panel kicked in" and the intruders gone in about thirty seconds ?
Like i said RA, that down to the guy that specced the job
We already have a monitoring software package called Montex, have you looked at it?
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I completely agree with you. No DIY kit is going to compare but people buy either on price or because they offer bells and whistles not easily available in the professional market.
Knowing the software and security industry pretty well it would take a hell of a lot to get me to move from wired to wireless. It wasn't all that many years ago wireless WEP encryption was seen as secure, that got hacked pretty quickly due to the ongoing development of hardware and software, WPA replaced it which also got broken, WPA2 superseded WPA which has also been broken. Nothing is forever with security it's an ongoing arms race and unfortunately some of the best people at security are on the wrong side.
Some of the best systems in the world built by the best minds have been broken either by technology, a greater mind or sheer luck. We would be naive to think a grade or a EN standard protects us when they are created by people as flawed as you or I.
True that, but at least we try and protect our clients unlike some.............
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Smash and grab, cutting cables, cutting coms etc... are all aspects that can be designed out of a system of a location or made extremely hard (if you're willing to spend enough time, money, knowledge) again cost vs reward. No-ones going to disable a grade 3 system, cut through 10mm plate steel and drill through reinforced concrete to get a £200 TV.
However as the cost comes down and you can download a tiny application and run it on consumer hardware that will essentially disarm certain alarm systems with a click of a button. With encryption what's unbreakable now becomes child's play as time passes. It sounds like some of the consumer aimed manufacturers do the bare minimum and can be bypassed with minimal effort/equipment, but the question is how advanced is the technology in the G2 systems and how long before they too become easy targets.
I guess your average home is never going to become a lucrative target for high tech thefts and anything worthwhile is going to be on a higher grade system and additional security procedures.
Correct and as its stand right now nobody markets or installs a Grade 3 wireless system in the UK, they are available elsewhere, mainly where cost is not the first thought when it comes to security.
As for G2 being vulnerable to attack, its not just the wireless aspect of the system, its also the communication methods used between devices and the panel or expander. Likewise the expected response of the system to attack, there are already measures in place to detect jamming, supervision to detect missing devices etc....Unlikely in my opinion that any professional equipment manufactured and independently tested against the EN standards would fall foul of a simple programme or app downloaded from the web.
As for DIY systems, or those that simply claim compliance without proving it, that is another matter and as always is reflected in the cost associated with the equipment. Its about time people understood the value of professionally installed and manufactured equipment instead of trying to compare two things which bare no resemblance to each other.
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Al;l of the stuff mentioned above is a part of the reason for grading and doing a proper RA i guess................
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Time to tell them to wake up and wait for response back?
This
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Yep it is, we still have the three minute timer on anything programmed as auto mode, which is the default for PIR,s purely a battery saving mode. Doesn't affect the arming or disarming of the system. Shock and contacts always awake, do what they say. Nothing to stop PIR's being programmed as always awake, just affects battery life, same as anybody else's, at least we have the option.
Dual techs work in hybrid mode, so asleep in disarm awake wen armed, and have to be woken up at the point of arming, hence the small delay.
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ade what is the wake up time?
There isn't one on anything except the dual techs, it's microseconds but as I said too many devices and it seems like a long time. Reality is the time is short, I have about 10 dual techs on a test system, takes about 2 seconds longer than a similar system with no DT to arm, it's perception in many cases.
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Has tex ever tested 512 devices on one panel Ade?
I wonder what the wait time would be before all devices would be ready for arming.
Yes we had a system at the factory for about a year running 512 devices, if they were all dual techs which need to be woken up to arm the system, you would be waiting a while. Not recommended. However with standard PIR's or contacts and shocks, no problem, pretty much the same as a wired system. The panel knows its armed so any alarm signals from those devices are treated the same as a wired device.
Even for dual techs whilst the time is short, it always seems a long time when you are stood in front of the keypad. Same as watching a kettle boil.
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An elite 168 will give you 128 devices.
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Im not sure about device hopps though with regards positioning the expanders.
32 devices per expander, each expander uses its own wireless network (or rather a narrow portion of the operating overall frequency) device serial numbers are used to ID them to the correct expanders therefore avoiding any potential cross talk or interference.
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