Guest Coop Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I've just installed a texecom panel at home and there doesn't seem to be enough connectors on the panel. Is it usual to connect the tamper circuit in series using those little plastic conector blocks with just the ends of the chain connected to the panel? It doesn't seem like a very elegant way of doing things. I have 3 PIR's and 2 smoke detectors (not extravagent for a domestic install I'd have thought)all of which need power but the panel connectors aren't able to take 5 wires - so again I had to use the plastic block connectors. Do more expensive panels have more connectors for things like this or have I missed something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wooly-bobs Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 More expensive panels have different wiring configurations that don't use a global tamper circuit. Mid to high end panels support EOL or FSL wiring using resistors and detect resistance changes rather than open circuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateurandy Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I've just installed a texecom panel at home and there doesn't seem to be enough connectors on the panel.Is it usual to connect the tamper circuit in series using those little plastic conector blocks with just the ends of the chain connected to the panel? It doesn't seem like a very elegant way of doing things. I have 3 PIR's and 2 smoke detectors (not extravagent for a domestic install I'd have thought)all of which need power but the panel connectors aren't able to take 5 wires - so again I had to use the plastic block connectors. Do more expensive panels have more connectors for things like this or have I missed something? 57293[/snapback] I installed an ADE panel a while ago and, after taking some advice, did exactly the same. You can make it quite neat and tidy, and it keeps the bulk of connections away from the motherboard, minimising the risk of damage during installation. There are devices you can buy to split up the tampers and show which one is triggered. I'm sure one of the pro's will know and post a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FASTCAR Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Hi , Act Meters do a tamper splitter , but its not necessary on a small domestic install , as long as you have a continuity tester in your tool box , tampers are straightforward to locate. Note , you can program unused zones as tampers to give individual tamper indication. Lyntek made a panel with individual tampers and AUX for each zone , but it was so ugly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaseven Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 I have 3 PIR's and 2 smoke detectors (not extravagent for a domestic install I'd have thought)all of which need power but the panel connectors aren't able to take 5 wires - so again I had to use the plastic block connectors. 57293[/snapback] I wouldn't have thought you would have too much trouble getting 5 wires into Aux+ and Aux - - are you putting them all directly into the 12V source - (don't wire them in series as you have for the tamper circuit). Incedentally, if you use the Veritas R8+ (as opposed to the one without the + ) you can use double-end-of-line wiring, which eliminates the need for a tamper circuit, and is more secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antinode Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Try twisting the wires more tightly and open the terminal up a bit with a small screwdriver. There is a small piece of metal in the terminal that clamps down on the wire, so back off the screw a bit more and wiggle the tip of the screw driver in the terminal hole just to open it up a bit. Trade Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Giles Posted June 16, 2005 Share Posted June 16, 2005 Why? Doesn't help additions next time. Wire 0.75 flex into a connector block with the auxillarys twisted together into that and simply take one leg into the panel connections. Paul PG Security Systems Somerset SSAIB Certificate of Merit Installers. www.pgsecurity.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Coop Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Many thanks for everyones replies I wouldn't have thought you would have too much trouble getting 5 wires into Aux+ and Aux - - are you putting them all directly into the 12V source - (don't wire them in series as you have for the tamper circuit).Incedentally, if you use the Veritas R8+ (as opposed to the one without the + ) you can use double-end-of-line wiring, which eliminates the need for a tamper circuit, and is more secure. 57314[/snapback] Sorry - surely the power has to be connected in parallel for the powered detectors or have I misunderstood what you've written? I do indeed have an R8+ with EOL facility but have chosen not to use it as I thought troubleshooting would be easier without. This may sound a bit like the Pet Detector thread, but........... I realise EOL is more secure (and I might upgrade at some stage) but do domestic burglars really "disarm" individual detectors or do they just kick the back door in? (PS. I bought the panel because I thought the LCD keypad would help with programming rather than for EOL - remember I'm only a DIY installer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Many thanks for everyones repliesSorry - surely the power has to be connected in parallel for the powered detectors or have I misunderstood what you've written? 58162[/snapback] I think you may have misunderstod, you do indeed need to connect all 12V power conections to devices in parallel. I do indeed have an R8+ with EOL facility but have chosen not to use it as I thought troubleshooting would be easier without. This may sound a bit like the Pet Detector thread, but........... 58162[/snapback] Yes, an alarm wired double pole is easier for fault finding as everything is pretty much on or off (open or closed). EOL does require a bit more thought, project for the future if you get bored one day. . I realise EOL is more secure (and I might upgrade at some stage) but do domestic burglars really "disarm" individual detectors or do they just kick the back door in? 58162[/snapback] In general burglars are retards, they just smash things to pieces. To do the job quickly and efficiently requires brains and burglars don't have any of those. Most domestic burglaries are a simple smash a door down or slip in an open window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secboy Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Yep! They kick the door in, grab the DVD and or TV and run down the road like the clappers before anyone has even looked up from their paper!!!! I shouldn't try to analyse the scum who want wot you have but for free! the kit you have installed is perfectly adequate for the deterent value you require,remember an alarm will not stop you getting robbed just reduce the likelihood of it and limit the damage! Its a tough old world out there guys!!!!!.PAUL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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