Gardtec repair or replace

[bowlingman 0]

I installed a Gartec 595 system some years ago its now developed a problem, to repair I require a replacement end panel pcb if possible.

If not I will replace system, it would be nice if I could use existing wiring etc so any recommends would be appreciated.

I require end panel with 8 zones, 3 remote zone interfaces/expanders 4 zones each, 2 remote lcd kp,

Thank you

[datadiffusion 537]

What's the nature of the problem?

[bowlingman 0]

It sounded and the kp display reads fuse/battery fault

The battery is only one month old, the inline fuse to the battery is ok as is the two pcb fuses

The voltage at the battery terminals with the battery disconnected is 6.6v

The voltage of battery is 11v

I suspect the power supply in the pcb may be to blame. 

[datadiffusion 537]

Brand new battery, decent brand?

[bowlingman 0]

Yucel 7ah

But even when battery is not connected I would have expected charge volts from panel to be around 13 not 6.6 volts.

[datadiffusion 537]

Yes I was just wondering did the panel ruin the battery, or did a duff battery ruin the panel.

 

Either way spares are long gone for this obselete system.

 

I'm guessing the alarm otherwise still meets your needs.

 

Systems are much of a muchness now, so something like a Pyronix Euro mini, Texecom Premier, Eaton (Scantronic) 40H will be ideal.

 

Are the expanders all remote, or next to the panel? Two of the above systems can give you 2 zones on the keypad if that helps.

Also the Eaton comes with 10 zones on board plus free Cloud based self monitoring e.g. apple or android app.

Edited February 18 by datadiffusion

[aissecur 24]

just out of interest have you measured the AC supply on to the pcb? Should be between 18 - 20VAC

[Logan 46]

2 hours ago, aissecur said:

just out of interest have you measured the AC supply on to the pcb? Should be between 18 - 20VAC

i have a gardtec 595 in my collection. I need to find a keypad to test it

[bowlingman 0]

4 hours ago, datadiffusion said:

Yes I was just wondering did the panel ruin the battery, or did a duff battery ruin the panel.

 

Either way spares are long gone for this obselete system.

 

I'm guessing the alarm otherwise still meets your needs.

 

Systems are much of a muchness now, so something like a Pyronix Euro mini, Texecom Premier, Eaton (Scantronic) 40H will be ideal.

 

Are the expanders all remote, or next to the panel? Two of the above systems can give you 2 zones on the keypad if that helps.

Also the Eaton comes with 10 zones on board plus free Cloud based self monitoring e.g. apple or android app.

 

[bowlingman 0]

two of the expanders are remote the third is adjacent to the panel.

one thing I forgot to mention in my original post my 595 allows me to split the system into three areas and set/unset them individually which is very useful although if necessary I could manage without. 

[bowlingman 0]

1 hour ago, Logan said:

i have a gardtec 595 in my collection. I need to find a keypad to test it

I would be very interested in it

[bowlingman 0]

4 hours ago, aissecur said:

just out of interest have you measured the AC supply on to the pcb? Should be between 18 - 20VAC

Its 18.5v

[aissecur 24]

24 minutes ago, bowlingman said:

Its 18.5v

AC voltage in seems about right & you say you have disconnected the battery

Have you power cycled it? (may be worth powering it off for a short duration then powering it back up)

If all that fails then I suspect its a faulty PCB.

[Logan 46]

42 minutes ago, bowlingman said:

I would be very interested in it

It murders batterys  it literally causes them to crack and even blow up

[sixwheeledbeast 399]

I would start with checking the voltage and charging current from the battery leads, followed by general other voltages.

11v is too low so you either have a duff or flat battery or the panel is dragging the battery flat.

 

Never been a fan of Risco stuff so if I found something was broken, I would be looking to replace. The keypad is unlikely to last much longer I'd imagine.

[PeterJames 499]

5 hours ago, bowlingman said:

I would be very interested in it

The Gardtec 600 is a direct replacement I believe its still produced 

[datadiffusion 537]

I thought it was long discontinued? But who is right?

 

[PeterJames 499]

15 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:

I thought it was long discontinued? But who is right?

 

You may be right I thought it may be because we are still buying keypads for them 

[MrHappy 1,416]

It would appear gt600 is still in production, new endstations or even pcbs are still there to purchase

 

Ripping it all out is going be pricey...

[aissecur 24]

7 hours ago, MrHappy said:

It would appear gt600 is still in production, new endstations or even pcbs are still there to purchase

 

Ripping it all out is going be pricey...

Defo still in production....

I actually quote like the 595 & 600 (don't slate me too much lol)

[datadiffusion 537]

Blimey fair enough. I knew keypads were still going.

 

Years back I loved the 816 etc...

 

Probably a bit like everyone says they used to like Scanny

 

[aissecur 24]

Just now, datadiffusion said:

Blimey fair enough. I knew keypads were still going.

 

Years back I loved the 816 etc...

 

Probably a bit like everyone says they used to like Scanny

 

Yes defo a scanny fan back in the day, 9600 was my favourite

[bowlingman 0]

Thank you all for your advice.

I have decided I am going to up date and thanks to datadiffusion suggestions I am considering a Texecom Premier Elite in polymer caa-0026

It allows 2 areas and that could work for me.

First I would like to study the installation manual so as to familiarise myself with the wiring etc req. how and where can I obtain one please.

Secondly where would I find the best supplier please.

[MrHappy 1,416]

8 minutes ago, bowlingman said:

First I would like to study the installation manual so as to familiarise myself with the wiring etc req. how and where can I obtain one please.

Secondly where would I find the best supplier please.

 

google....

 

are planning to run your 2 keypads, zone expanders, external sounder(s) & internal speaker all off the endstation ?

[bowlingman 0]

Yes however I now plan to use only one kp adjacent to endstation, only two expanders one at a cable distance around 10 meters and the other at around 15 meters.

Expander one will have two contacts and a dt on it, expander two will have two contacts.

The endstation and kp will have six movement detectors plus three contacts plus pa button.