Hennessy-Security Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Hi everyone, This is my first post since joining, im Chris owner of Hennessy Fire & Security in Bristol. Im a bit unsure of what fire protection i need in a customers shop and flat premisis. I visited a customers ground floor shop today with flat above the shop which he is going to start letting out to tennats. At present he has a very very old and faulty 1 zone conventional panel which is fitted in the shop and this has bells throuout the shop and also one in hallway of the flat above. I wondering what the correct setup would be for todays standards. I wast to fit automatic fire detection in the flat in form of Mains opperated smoke detectors and update the fire alarm, smoke detection and bells in the shop and one in the hallway of the flat. Would this be acceptable? I hope this makes sence. Any help would be appreiciated. Thanks. Chris. Hennessy Fire & Security - Specialising in home defence systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 We dont do part 6 systems so ii wouldnt do it like that. Id install part 1 in all areas. Easiest way would be to use a twinflex panel etc and then detection in the relevant areas. What category does the Risk assessment call for? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerbNI Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 We dont do part 6 systems so ii wouldnt do it like that. Id install part 1 in all areas. Easiest way would be to use a twinflex panel etc and then detection in the relevant areas. What category does the Risk assessment call for? ..or a HAES with Apollo detection! Hi everyone, This is my first post since joining, im Chris owner of Hennessy Fire & Security in Bristol. Im a bit unsure of what fire protection i need in a customers shop and flat premisis. I visited a customers ground floor shop today with flat above the shop which he is going to start letting out to tennats. At present he has a very very old and faulty 1 zone conventional panel which is fitted in the shop and this has bells throuout the shop and also one in hallway of the flat above. I wondering what the correct setup would be for todays standards. I wast to fit automatic fire detection in the flat in form of Mains opperated smoke detectors and update the fire alarm, smoke detection and bells in the shop and one in the hallway of the flat. Would this be acceptable? I hope this makes sence. Any help would be appreiciated. Thanks. Chris. Is there shared access to the flat or does it have it's own staircase? Has it been a cheapo conversion or has it proper fire compartmentization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hennessy-Security Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share Posted February 11, 2011 Thanks for the replys, unfortunatly the owner hasnt had a risk assesment yet, i will advise him of this. The shop and flat i belive was designed like this from the begining. It has its own dedicated staircare and front door incl fire exit to the rear. Is there any rules about installing a repeater panel in the flat to allow the users to sillence the alarm if there is a false alarm set off in the shop and vice versa? Hennessy Fire & Security - Specialising in home defence systems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 as long as they can investigate then afaik there isnt a rule for that. You can on most panels (well the better ones) wire in silence buttons etc without a full repeater which if small enough may be an option? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-G Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Is there any rules about installing a repeater panel in the flat to allow the users to sillence the alarm if there is a false alarm set off in the shop and vice versa? How would the flat tenant know it was a false alarm? There could be a smouldering fire in a position impossible to see from outside. . . . PM me for access to the SSAIB members discussion area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CerbNI Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 How would the flat tenant know it was a false alarm? There could be a smouldering fire in a position impossible to see from outside. They'd be only silencing the bells,not resetting but there is an issue with this - if the tenant is a deep sleeper and the shop silences it then what?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 They'd be only silencing the bells,not resetting but there is an issue with this - if the tenant is a deep sleeper and the shop silences it then what?? weve had this before 9 times out of ten the panel goes in flat side in the hallway with the shop having keys.have also had it with two panels using class change so they can only silence there own bells not the others!lot of hassle tho agreed with the haes panel there great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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