marx Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Hi, What would u prefer hour rate or point system! few years ago i worked in company where they had point system. So one pir=1 point, bellbox=2, internal camera=2, alarm panel (depends how big) 2-4points, 100m cable=1point. And u know what engineer worked hard to get good points end of the month! But when u have hour rate u will take your time to finish the job lol. I think if u have point system u have different attiude, u will do the job correctly and if u have to then work few hours late to finish the job! But with hour rate what is the change that some one will work late, they will most likely say that they will have to come back tomorrow to finish the job lol. Point system will motivate engineer more then hour rate. I can see point system working well only on smaller sites becose on big sites u might have to pull cables for few weeks. Or mabe the perfect solution would be to use bouth hour rate and point system to keep everybody happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 or employ someone with honest work ethics and sack the slackers? dragging your heels is wrong. what is it there shouting for on TV....oh yeah honest days pay for an honest days work. do the honest days work 1st I say! viva la revolution!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The first National I worked for had a thing called budget costing that was only used on domestics. Basically you got 7 hours to wire the job, fit the controls and external sounder. You then got 1 hour for each PIR and half hour for each contact, digi was a bonus because you got 4 hours for that. It worked well for the engineer on a small job in a bungalow but you were under pressure in an occupied house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The first National I worked for had a thing called budget costing that was only used on domestics.Basically you got 7 hours to wire the job, fit the controls and external sounder. You then got 1 hour for each PIR and half hour for each contact, digi was a bonus because you got 4 hours for that. It worked well for the engineer on a small job in a bungalow but you were under pressure in an occupied house. 1Hr a Pir, 30n mins a fMC....................4 hrs a Digi...........................Gis a job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 problem with any point or system size based system is that the faster you put it in the more points you earn. Ultimatly quality suffers as your encouraging speed. There is a limit to how much you can do in a set time and do it right. Using hourly systems shouldnt encourage engineers to put it in quick at the expense of quality. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 The first National I worked for had a thing called budget costing that was only used on domestics.Basically you got 7 hours to wire the job, fit the controls and external sounder. You then got 1 hour for each PIR and half hour for each contact, digi was a bonus because you got 4 hours for that. It worked well for the engineer on a small job in a bungalow but you were under pressure in an occupied house. under pressure? semi 4 pirs and 1 contact. = 11 1/2 hours lol and 4 hrs for the DIGI i wish i had time like that when i was cards in, they expected 8 zones in 8 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 under pressure? semi 4 pirs and 1 contact. = 11 1/2 hours lol and 4 hrs for the DIGI i wish i had time like that when i was cards in, they expected 8 zones in 8 hours. "Thinks back" 12 Redcares in same street 4 hours, must admit all we sent then was 2,3,4,and 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marx Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 all depends in person but i dont think quality will suffer! I worked with bouth and i prefer points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I cant see how anyone no matter how good can correctly install 8 zones in 8 hours on a domestic We give 3.4 hours for the panel, and 1.7 hours per device (is sab, pir, etc) average domestic is 2 man days well is for us securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I cant see how anyone no matter how good can correctly install 8 zones in 8 hours on a domesticWe give 3.4 hours for the panel, and 1.7 hours per device (is sab, pir, etc) average domestic is 2 man days well is for us With respect, you must employ monkeys who can only scratch their //.B.W.F.// all day. Not being funny here at all, almost 4 hours to dress and prog a panel?????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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