magpye Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 You guys are so helpful, I'm impressed. That's what my wife says Is this what you have? Racalite_and_Controller_.pdf If it's ok with 'the bosses, I'll upload the connection diagram - let me know please. Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogden Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 I've attached some photos of the controller and the PIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The C and NC I mentioned I picked up from someone on another forum. The PIR terminals are just labelled 1,2,3,4 and the connection back to the control panel was as I mentioned 1:red 2:yellow 3:blue 4:blackDaylight sensor was active and did work. I haven't looked at the inside of the other two PIR's at the back of my house but you could be right, there may only be 3 wires being used. Ahh, No Common & Normally Closed. Then I've proberbly been mis-advising you sorry. The old racalite (and a lot of GJD) did indeed use a wire to signal daylight via a sensor built within the PIR itself. However if you have a seperate daylight sensor then possibly a different kettle of fish. Even so a modern PIR might/might not work. Have a look in the other PIRs. Is the system wired into an alarm contol panel? If so is there a relay in the panel (or outside panel)switching mains? I'm too slow posting, yep thats a racalite. no the PIR I suggested wont work without doctoring. Cant remember off the top of my head perhaps others might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpye Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Ahh, No Common & Normally Closed. Then I've proberbly been mis-advising you sorry. The old racalite (and a lot of GJD) did indeed use a wire to signal daylight via a sensor built within the PIR itself. However if you have a seperate daylight sensor then possibly a different kettle of fish. Even so a modern PIR might/might not work. Have a look in the other PIRs. Is the system wired into an alarm contol panel? If so is there a relay in the panel (or outside panel)switching mains?I'm too slow posting, yep thats a racalite. no the PIR I suggested wont work without doctoring. Cant remember off the top of my head perhaps others might. Oh, hang it, here is the wiring diagram for the Racalite Racalite_connections_.pdf Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hi,My house has a PIR at the front and two at the real that control my outside lights, I didn't install them and the front one is faulty. They are Racal Rascal Guardall ( now defunct I think )and are 4 wired back to a Racal Light Control Unit. The PIR's don't have mains so must get power from the control unit. The control unit can be switched to lights on/off or PIR switched. My question is does anyone know if there is a modern day PIR I could use to replace my front PIR as most I've seen are mains powered and obviously not an option here. The PIR has 4 terminals all connected back to the control box, I assume these will be +,-,C and NC and the cable colours used are 1:red 2:yellow 3:blue 4:black Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks. I think the best advice I could offer would be to get an expert in (someone with experince of secutiy lighting). He should be able to test your working PIRs and establish what the connections actually do. He will then be able to create an interface between the GJD sensor and your existing controller (hopefully) The other alternative is to replace the entire system with GJD kit which in my opinion is very good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogden Posted September 1, 2008 Author Share Posted September 1, 2008 Magpye, Just missed your pdf before attaching my photos. Seeing this is what I have does this mean you could recommend a suitable replacement PIR? I do computer networking so if you have any queries I could repay the compliment just let me know. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 You could be right magpye, but I thought that was on the racalite's. I was guessing (wrongly?) as the op mentioned NC & C, was a straight relay switched pair.Wonder if there is a seperate daylight sensor? Oh, hang it, here is the wiring diagram for the RacaliteRacalite_connections_.pdf blimey geez, you got more old wiring stuff than me! and on pdf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpye Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Magpye,Just missed your pdf before attaching my photos. Seeing this is what I have does this mean you could recommend a suitable replacement PIR? I do computer networking so if you have any queries I could repay the compliment just let me know. . It has been years and years since I've had anything to do with Racalite or for that matter any o/s lighting, I'm well out of date now (keep your comments to yourselves everyone). I'll have a quick look at my old paperwork for modifications, sure I've done something that would help. blimey geez, you got more old wiring stuff than me! and on pdf. Na, just did a quick scan, with Acrobat for some reason! But I do have a LOT Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Seeing this is what I have does this mean you could recommend a suitable replacement PIR? . A GJD (with resister) - no off the shelf device will work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 agreed. This racal lite was replaced by the chubb excaliber and also available as a racal product. Unless you can find one of those then you will either need to 'make' one as gus says, but a gjd controller isnt much you may as well replace em both as it looks pretty old. James securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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