Rosie Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I need to move a PIR and to do so I need to disconnect it from the wiring so I can then re-route the wiring before reconnecting the PIR. In the interests of safety I want to remove all power from the system put when I switch the mains off and disconnect the backup battery from the control panel the external alarm goes off. I've tried putting it in Engineer mode first but that doesn't help either. Neither the User Manual or Installation Manual explains how to switch the whole system off so that you can actually work on it. Any advice would be much appreciated. It's a Paragon Plus system if that's any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJBsec Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 As this is a security forum I don't think you will find anyone telling you how to defeat the system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma01 Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 i agree with above id suspect every trade member/installer would not say how to take out the whole system, because how are we to know wether it is actually your system or not? we wouldnt. best bet is to get a comoany that specialises in to sort the problem out for you that way your systems security is still intact hope that helps sats "If you carry your childhood with you, you never become old. Why rush to end life when happiness is in the blissfulness of childhood innocence.""We all die, the goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will." 07475071344 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 As this is a security forum I don't think you will find anyone telling you how to defeat the system! I don't want to defeat the system. As already stated, I just want to switch the power off so that I can safely remove a PIR and it would be nice if I could do this without upsetting my neighbours too much. The installation manual tells me everything I need to know about overriding everything except this. It seems strange that the Engineer mode does not allow you to do any engineering. How can you add new PIRs or replace broken ones if the system can't ever be switched off even with all of the relevant user, master and engineer codes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I need to move a PIR and to do so I need to disconnect it from the wiring so I can then re-route the wiring before reconnecting the PIR.In the interests of safety I want to remove all power from the system put when I switch the mains off and disconnect the backup battery from the control panel the external alarm goes off. I've tried putting it in Engineer mode first but that doesn't help either. Neither the User Manual or Installation Manual explains how to switch the whole system off so that you can actually work on it. Any advice would be much appreciated. It's a Paragon Plus system if that's any help. don't beleive all you see on the 'A' team is real, security systems by design are hard to defeat or anyone could do it, and that means yours is resisting your 'attack' loudly. as stated we can't advise you how defeat it - you might not be the owner, how would we know? so best bet is a local installer, time it right he/she will disable it, even move it for you and usually better to use one on personal recommendation of someone you trust. while he's there get a service done, nobody wants to 'throw' away money, but just think about what it protects like photos and intrinsic valued items and the value of contents, but as in any trade it's always prudent to get a 'guestimate' before asking one to call. expect If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I don't want to defeat the system. As already stated, I just want to switch the power off so that I can safely remove a PIR and it would be nice if I could do this without upsetting my neighbours too much.The installation manual tells me everything I need to know about overriding everything except this. It seems strange that the Engineer mode does not allow you to do any engineering. How can you add new PIRs or replace broken ones if the system can't ever be switched off even with all of the relevant user, master and engineer codes? Rosie your not listening. how to "switch off" an intruder alarm or "how to stop it going off" is exactly what a burglar would like to know too. your security alarm and the security industry is just that; secure and we're not here to provide how to disble/switch off info. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 'engineering mode' is there for engineers, who (hopefully) know how to use it and keeps other out who don't to protect the owner and the engineer. bit like you keep the cleaning cupboard locked so your or your mates kids can't drink the parozon (i.e. because they don't know better) but you having the appropriate knowledge have free access. hope that helps and we are not being obstructive - honest , but we can't explain how it helps us for your needs without helping the burglars. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 I take all your comments on board and I am listening. The problem is I am completely redoing my house and in time will need to move / replace all the PIRs. If I have to call an engineer out eevry time then it's going to cost me a lot of money. It just seems strange to me that the full engineers manual that I have does not explain how to do any actual work on the system but does tell you exactly how to override most things. Maybe I'm taking too simplistic a view but I would have thought that the engineer code would exist so that you were then able to switch off the system. Even if someone knew how to disable the system they wouldn't be able to do so without the engineer code. Isn't that the purpose of having a separate code? It seems as though the engineer code doesn't give any more access than the normal code which makes it seem rather pointless????? Or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I take all your comments on board and I am listening.The problem is I am completely redoing my house and in time will need to move / replace all the PIRs. If I have to call an engineer out eevry time then it's going to cost me a lot of money. not if you agree what needs done and schedule visits accordingly, just ask no pro is here to rip you off. It just seems strange to me that the full engineers manual that I have does not explain how to do any actual work on the system but does tell you exactly how to override most things. the manual for you car or washing machine is the same : basic info but my no means all the info an engineer uses. Maybe I'm taking too simplistic a view but I would have thought that the engineer code would exist so that you were then able to switch off the system. No because the code would be like a magic key in the wrong hands Even if someone knew how to disable the system they wouldn't be able to do so without the engineer code. not true all good engineers could Isn't that the purpose of having a separate code? It seems as though the engineer code doesn't give any more access than the normal code which makes it seem rather pointless????? Or am I missing something? yes you are omitting the knowledege used in addition to the manual and code. we get asked similar nearly daily so don't take our replies as personal however no amount of discussion on all the reasons why will change the forums RULE of no codes, engineer manuals or defaulting info being given out, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie Posted June 6, 2008 Author Share Posted June 6, 2008 'engineering mode' is there for engineers, who (hopefully) know how to use it and keeps other out who don't to protect the owner and the engineer.bit like you keep the cleaning cupboard locked so your or your mates kids can't drink the parozon (i.e. because they don't know better) but you having the appropriate knowledge have free access. hope that helps and we are not being obstructive - honest , but we can't explain how it helps us for your needs without helping the burglars. regs alan I see. This makes more sense. So there is a secret "extra" manual someowhere that only those in the know can get hold of. Looks like being an expensive few months then. Out of interest, do you guys need to get special checks done before you are given the inner secrets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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