Guest RJBsec Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 and the name of the chap ? Can't remember but he was convicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 i wouldnt use a securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Can't remember but he was convicted. right, so it proves cctv works... at protecting CCTV - ROFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkie Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 "imho if the trade go's for an enforced system it will be dragged down to the same unfathomable level of confusion intruder alarms have suffered, where we let alone the client is often left floundering for a simple explanation as to what they are getting and the level of protection actually given. most give up at the point of insurance acceptance (who often don't really have a clue), and just ask most clients they simply won't have a clue that there are grades and Grade 1 is the lowest and why it is different to the other grades and how" To cut out any confusion, I would suggest the following apply to any recorded CCTV installed in public places, areas where the public are invited (covers retail/public buildings/petrol station/transport etc) and systems where the cameras record views of public areas:- System will be planned to meet all current regulations/legislation Risk assessment of the site should be undertaken leading to the creation of the operational requirement document Each system to include a camera (or cameras) that provide identification size/resolution images or individuals/vehicles in accordance with Home Office Guidelines. Recording system should meet requirements for image retention and evidence distribution in manner acceptable to the Criminal Justice System System should be handed over with a log book with system documentation and with training of the end user provided (existing DPA requirement) A regular maintenance routine implemented and review of cameras (again existing DPA requirement) The installer should be licensed for installation of CCTV (already planned via SIA) and the Information Commissioner should extend DPA notification of CCTV to liciense each system (now hinted at by the Conservative Party see Tory Party & CCTV). The trend in the EU is for licensing of public space CCTV and this may well be adopted (or imposed depending on your viewpoint) in the UK. Meanwhile, given the new Consumer Protection Regulations (the duty for companies not to trade unfairly and to avoid misleading statements or omissions) and it's the intention that the proposed CCTV system will not provide evidential images for prosecution (as detailed in the guidelines), this should be put in writing, or Trading Standards may well get involved if the Police inform the end user that their CCTV system does not produce useful evidence. Ilkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJBsec Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 right, so it proves cctv works...at protecting CCTV - ROFL Serial burglar actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 "imho if the trade go's for an enforced system it will be dragged down to the same unfathomable level of confusion intruder alarms have suffered, where we let alone the client is often left floundering for a simple explanation as to what they are getting and the level of protection actually given. most give up at the point of insurance acceptance (who often don't really have a clue), and just ask most clients they simply won't have a clue that there are grades and Grade 1 is the lowest and why it is different to the other grades and how"To cut out any confusion, I would suggest the following apply to any recorded CCTV installed in public places, areas where the public are invited (covers retail/public buildings/petrol station/transport etc) and systems where the cameras record views of public areas:- System will be planned to meet all current regulations/legislation Risk assessment of the site should be undertaken leading to the creation of the operational requirement document Each system to include a camera (or cameras) that provide identification size/resolution images or individuals/vehicles in accordance with Home Office Guidelines. Recording system should meet requirements for image retention and evidence distribution in manner acceptable to the Criminal Justice System System should be handed over with a log book with system documentation and with training of the end user provided (existing DPA requirement) A regular maintenance routine implemented and review of cameras (again existing DPA requirement) The installer should be licensed for installation of CCTV (already planned via SIA) and the Information Commissioner should extend DPA notification of CCTV to liciense each system (now hinted at by the Conservative Party see Tory Party & CCTV). The trend in the EU is for licensing of public space CCTV and this may well be adopted (or imposed depending on your viewpoint) in the UK. Meanwhile, given the new Consumer Protection Regulations (the duty for companies not to trade unfairly and to avoid misleading statements or omissions) and it's the intention that the proposed CCTV system will not provide evidential images for prosecution (as detailed in the guidelines), this should be put in writing, or Trading Standards may well get involved if the Police inform the end user that their CCTV system does not produce useful evidence. Ilkie Or they could let the BS5839 commitee do it and it will be pretty much spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkie Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Or they could let the BS5839 commitee do it and it will be pretty much spot on. Thought BS5839 was Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings and Code of practice for the design, installation, commissioning, and maintenance of voice alarm systems. Are they now looking at public space CCTV? Ilkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Thought BS5839 was Fire detection and fire alarm systems for buildings and Code of practice for the design, installation, commissioning, and maintenance of voice alarm systems.Are they now looking at public space CCTV? Ilkie No. My point was it is a written standard that is clear to follow so if it works for one disipline it can work for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Chorlton, fire detection design ie all escape routes etc. Escape routes are easy to define, chnage of level all final exits etc.... but cctv is different. I agree that 5839 is a pretty well written std but so are many british standards securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest anguscanplay Posted May 26, 2008 Share Posted May 26, 2008 Each system to include a camera (or cameras) that provide identification size/resolution images or individuals/vehicles in accordance with Home Office Guidelines. Ilkie and how are you going to do that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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