11 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Self Contained Bell, uses it's own lead acid battery to sound the siren when triggered from panel.

Self Activating Bell, uses the panel voltage to sound the siren when trigger is low, or "hold off" voltage is removed which "self activates" the bell from it's NiCd. Many modern SAB's have a SCB style mode.

You'd find SCBs in chubbs, AFAs, brocks and all that and you'd find SABs in thorns, Abels, modern alarms, etc.

21 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

You mean scb mode uses internal battery to activate sounder and hold off is just charging

 

And sab mode draws power from panel hold off when bell activated

 

 

Both have a separate trigger 

 

Or something like that

Yep

5 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

SCB where designed that way.

Tamper return will be +ve if the HO is +ve, you can see the tamper link is still fitted

I thought SCBs were the ones that had the voltage going directly to the bell box and when the alarm sets off, the hold off is cut sounding the bell using its own battery and SABs were the ones that had the trigger voltage?

1 hour ago, al-yeti said:

You try the phone number? 

Hmmmmmm no but i might just give it a try

28 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Also the tamper return will be pos on that panel

Im guessing there was an especially made sab module that would go with the panel?

3 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

So it's for an old SCB then

Ill probably just run the tamper switch directly to the panel then put the hold off where it needs to go, then put the trig on the B terminal.

8 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

I would test with a meter first but I assume:-

 

12v+ = +ve

12v- = trig

HO = -ve

ST = tamp return

B = beacon? strobe

 

Failing that the 999 D'COM terminals are likely negative sinking panic and intruder.

The problem is the HO is not negative its positive 

2 minutes ago, Specialist said:

Have to ask: Why would you want to connect an alarm that old back up ?

Well because it looks pretty cool in my eyes and ive always wanted an early electronic display sort of panel in my collection of ye olde burglar alarms.

2 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Aux + -, HO and ST over on the left would be may guess.

Probably right, the sab i'm using is an MAS sabmaster module and ive tried wiring it up but it just blows a fuse in the panel.

Anyone out there know how to wire up a bell box sab to a omega 5 panel?

On 19/06/2006 at 21:44, Guest Onzadog said:

It is an orange box, but not dayglo. Then agin, it's been up a good few years! Five vents on either side, does that narrow it down?

Funny, to the untrained eye, a box is a box but seems you guys can tell a lot from the simple details.

No sun bleached caps on this one though.

Its got a cream horn siren inside and a cover tamper, some of the later ones had a mylar cone speaker on the mounting bracket facing downwards.

On 21/11/2018 at 19:47, Gabs said:

The idea was just for a microswitch to go straight to to SCB of my Accenta panel, I could route it through my SAB module, but it would just be two tracks, from one terminal block to another. Could be done with standard 6 core wire, too. 

2 for the Tamper

2 for the Hold Off voltage

2 for the Siren 

I think it would be 2 for hold off and the other two for tamp return and trigger, usually an SCB module would use the bell box battery to run the bell and a SAB module uses a trigger voltage to power the bell.

4 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Masterblaster

Or possibly a mighty mono

Its a minimite, the master blaster are the 240v ones

2 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Masterblaster

Or possibly a mighty mono

Mighty mono?

Found a few of these really odd type s boxs and i'm very intrigued as to whats inside them, anyone got any ideas?

2 hours ago, goncall said:

The pid connections are for connection to a pid(point interface device) bit like a galaxy rio ,used on very old ADT focus panels which were way ahead of their time back in the day 

What is it used for?

12 minutes ago, norman said:

Yes, Klaxon used those boards and poly speakers in a few sounders. 

Dont suppose you know what the PID terminals do?

13 minutes ago, abbz said:

Was called a SAS II if I remember correctly. Made by Klaxon 

Ahhh yes it does say SAS 2 on the sab module.

 

2 hours ago, norman said:

It's an old ADT box, pre merger between Thorn and Modern when they went with the Elmdene Rapier for their HS applications. Batt shows 1993 so well before the 1997 (ish) merger.

Am i correct in saying that this is a toplok bell box or did toplok only make the circuitry?

7 hours ago, al-yeti said:

Actually not rapier lol , box looks different 

Its a bit of an odd box i think.

Its not very loud either but maby thats why you always see three or more on a building .

1 hour ago, MrHappy said:

I have assume it was rapier if the PCB was'nt marked up Toplock ?

On the main pcb board it has toplok uk so i assume the bell box is a Toplok box.

Can any one help me with identifying a few of these terminals on this old ADT box.

PID and anti drill.

Also does the tube markings mean i can have an extra xenon tube for an inside flash if someone were to get inside the box?

8 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Glad i don't see many of them Online SLA's anymore, swap on sight.

How come?

1 hour ago, MrHappy said:

no, however I have once swapped all insides into a texecom oddsey 3 housing

Ill just stick one in anyway, i think it'll look nice.

Has anyone ever seen an aritech AS293 with a comfort LED?