bri Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 wow some post, very interesting and informative from all sides. I thought I could write.....but hey fella Bri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian.cant Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Cheap DVR site searches come up in the trade section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zak Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Well, he is obviously very passionate about his profession and has a lot of pent up frustration/aggravation. TSI = therapy Cheap DVR site searches come up in the trade section. No, not all of those posts are in the Trade section (I checked). Maybe wrong but sure that it is general members who can access a lot of it. Zak Tankel - Managing Director - Security First (UK) - www.securityfirst.uk.com Disclaimer: Any comments or opinions expressed by me are my own as a member of the public and not of my employer or Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lee Tracey Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Were you referring to the DigiFlower from your first post? Is that the machine you want to market? And what is wrong with that picture ? You can almost make out that one of them is on a bike. I am now going to be a lot more diligent when quoting DVR's!! No! the DIGIFLOWER is one of the very many that I imported and tested and I liked it a lot. I then flogged it and it is doing sterling service in a security building alone with 6.4 terabytes of storage. However it used the MPEG-4 algorithm and that was not far enough into the math world for me. I like the H264 algorithm and the DVR I am considering flogging when I retire is based on this algorithm. I have taken the cheeky step of registering the company H264 Ltd ready for my onslaught into your cash reserves. When I get the hang of this forum thing a bit better I will put up some technical data to prove that the H264 algorithm is better than sliced bread. Still cannot understand where my other images have gone but will try another now. If it works this is one from the Goliath camera. I think it was Ian who said the Goliath could not do better than a £1.50 camera. Do not understand that so must be getting thick as well as old. Lee Tracey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I wonder how many CCTV salesman carry out an operational requirement referenced against home office guidelines for each camera? I think one problem with CCTV now and as of the past couple of years is the internet. There are a lot of CCTV packaged systems being advertised and I think this is not doing our industry any favours, I am refering to the small user, like corner shops. We all know the most expensive piece of equipment is the DVR, but even with the cheapest lowest quality recoding DVR's surely it is still possible to use a correct combination of cameras to achieve a quality of recording that can be used as evidence, for example, a silmilar set up to the bookies you mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian.cant Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think it was Ian who said the Goliath could not do better than a £1.50 camera. Do not understand that so must be getting thick as well as old. What i meant was neither the Goliath or a cheap piece of tat from ebay would have prevented the London bombings. I realise what Goliath is basically from your explanation, that type of camera is surely the future. The Goliath must be similar to Sentryscope, which i believe are fitted in some football grounds amongst other places. West Hams ground has about 6 of them to cover every seat or something like that and costs about 20k+ each. Must admit i would love to get involved in one of those being installed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lee Tracey Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 What i meant was neither the Goliath or a cheap piece of tat from ebay would have prevented the London bombings. I realise what Goliath is basically from your explanation, that type of camera is surely the future.The Goliath must be similar to Sentryscope, which i believe are fitted in some football grounds amongst other places. West Hams ground has about 6 of them to cover every seat or something like that and costs about 20k+ each. Must admit i would love to get involved in one of those being installed. Yes it is on the lines of Sentryscope but Sentryscope is linescan and Goliath is progressive scan and Sentry is B & W and Goliath is colour. The proof that there is a market for this type of camera is that Sentryscope have sold plenty at the 20K mark and Goliath is currently in Birmingham City Centre - under police control not City control. I have sent in an image from Goliath but it never appears in the postings for some reason. Lee Tracey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest markalan Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Yes it is on the lines of Sentryscope but Sentryscope is linescan and Goliath is progressive scan and Sentry is B & W and Goliath is colour. The proof that there is a market for this type of camera is that Sentryscope have sold plenty at the 20K mark and Goliath is currently in Birmingham City Centre - under police control not City control. I have sent in an image from Goliath but it never appears in the postings for some reason.Lee Tracey Hi lee hope your well sounds very interesting hope your still promoting the H264 and Goilath camera the quality is amazing on both products Regards Mark Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Jon Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Blimey, I only just picked up on this thread, but well done Lee! The present day shortcomings in the CCTV industry have not just happened overnight, but have really become a technical manifestation of what has been an explosive growth in installations, over a relatively short period of time. There are indeed only a few in the industry who have an intimate knowledge of the subject, simply because the business is based on technology, and more specifically selling and installing it, rather than taking the trouble to learn and understand the precise application of it; which as Lee has so eloquently pointed out, is a terrible shame. The installer arguments about client requirements and expectations are of course very valid, but the inescapable fact is that whilst most contracts ultimately come down to the bottom line, there is a fundamental problem in that many installations are dictated by a cobbled togethor 'shopping list', often mistakenly described as a "specification", which does not effectively address the requirements for the system. Being acutely aware of the impending licencing of CCTV consultants as dictated by the Security Industry Act, and being ever so moderately p****d off at the prospect of having to be tested by a no hoper "expert", in order to qualify for the privelage of obtaining a permit to do what I've been doing for nearly thirty years, I decided that after years of putting it off, I would develop my own website project, so that if I did decide to leave the industry (in absolute disgust), at least the knowledge that I had gained would not entirely go to waste ( that was the theory! ). Somewhat irritatingly, whilst my personal specialisation has in recent years been to do with evaluation and profiling for effective CCTV system design, I know from my weekly web stats that these are actually the pages that are least read (if anyone is curious, I'm actually talking about the System Design section of my site - apologies for the self promotion, I know it's not really appropriate forum protocol, but I'm sure you'll forgive me!) . So therein lies the conundrum. How can the industry produce more effective/efficiently designed and installed CCTV systems, when there is little general interest from the majority in learning the absolute basics. Prof. Gills hugely expensive report (which incidentally is on the web for those that are interested), and indeed a multitude of other reports that have preceded it over perhaps the last ten or more years, all suffer from the same major shortcoming. They don't identify what has technically been done wrong, and what could have been done to improve on the system designs being evaluated. To be fair, that was never in their briefs, so the whole exercise is quite literally academic. I'm not going to attempt to challenge the winner of the longest post ever, but here's one simple reason why getting it right first time should not be optional. (Somewhat curiously, this is actually the second time today I've written about this). The reference to the use of CCTV to prevent (traditional) terrorist attacks, does actually have some relevance. It is widely believed that the use of Town Centre CCTV contributed significantly to the capture of the Soho bomber David Copeland. In fact, the quality of recordings available to the police investigating the attacks was so poor, and it took so many days to recover anything usable, that by the time the police had a positive ident and they were on their way to arrest him at home, he was actually planting the final device in the Admiral Duncan pub. Had the quality of recordings been better... well I'll leave you to work out the rest of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deefadog Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Very interesting reading, even from a non professional point of view! From a domestic point of view, which is what i am currently planning, there seems very litttle point in recording the action if i wanted to show evidence, as i am going to be on the bottom end scale as price is concearned, so from what has been said (ignoring the quality of the equipment for now) it's really the distance of the captured video that's important to get a good crisp capture on play back. I currently have a one micromark b&w (£25) camera just hooked up to a standard vcr, which i just record on SP over night, this is covering the front door and drive (5 meters) and the play back from this could bhe used as evidence as you can make out faces etc very well! Now what has got me worried is that i thought i would upgrade and get 4 day/night cameras hooked up to a DVR (r200 from rf), now will the quality be worse than my very basic system i already have? I mean what is the equivalent of the vcr recording (i currently have) to either of these qualitys - QCIF, CIF, 2CIF, DCIF,4CIF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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