bruceyc Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Hi all New to the forum, but have a query about the Optima Compact I have installed today. I have installed a few alarms - usually pain free but this one has me really confused. I am using 3 zones. 1= door sensor on entry 2= PIR in entry room 3= back door sensor I am using programme 1, with Z1 as entry (timed), Z2 set as inhibited and Z3 set as immediate as it's never used as an entry. Zones 4-8 disabled in programming. All wiring checked, double checked and triple cheked. Now - what happens is that when the PIR is triggered after the entry zone is triggered, zone 3 also triggers and it goes into full alarm. This happened repeatedly and also on walk test - if I open the entry door, Zone 1 lights, then if I trigger the PIR Zone 2 lights and about a second later Zone 3 lights. I checked all wiring again, defaulted the panel and started a fresh. Same thing again. So to make things clearer I put a link in zone 3 so I could be sure there was no issue with door circuit. Same again - basically every single time the PIR which is inhibited is triggered it triggers the other zone evern though it's a closed loop. I read somewhere that Optimas can have a problem with the programming out of zones and that putting physical links in 4-8 might be worth trying. Incidentally - I happened to have another panel so I tried another Compact instead - it does EXACTLY the same thing. SO very unlikely to be duff panels. Anyone come across this and know what I am missing from the programming to make this work? Thanks in advance. Edited February 28, 2016 by bruceyc Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 What happens if you remove the bell securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceyc Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Thansk for the quick reply - do you mean all the wiring to the bellbox? Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I'm wondering if your overloading it? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceyc Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Not sure about that and don;t knwo enough about alarms to know if that could cause this? It was an existing bell box as this was a replacement panel job where the keypad was a bit dicky but otherwise working ok. I have solved it by putting both doors in series as a times entry zone 1, and disabling 3-8 It seems like a bit of a compromise but I had to get it working. So you reckong trying a new bell box might be worth it? It's very strange - I just don;t undersatnd why every time Z2 triggered, Z3 did too - even when very clearly closed. I even tried moving it around to otehr zones and it did the same thing, Zone triggers immediately followed the PIR sensor triggering. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Ah did you remove the wiring from 3 when you linked it out? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceyc Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 PS - the panel came from you I removed the wiring to the door switch, yes. I just put a staple in zone 3. So basically I tried zone 8 for example. Enabled zones 1,2 and 8 with a link in 8. On entering the alarm went off almost immediately. Looking on walk test, zome 2 triggering was setting off zone 8 too, even with a staple in it. Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceyc Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Like you would swear they were wired together (maybe a second delay) Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Sounds like you mixed up wiring , because cables maybe going through a join , there some messed up wiring out there ( mine getting better haha) Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceyc Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) No problem with wiring - it couldn't be more simple. I also eliminated the bulk of the wiring by using a staple. I even changed the PIR out for a new one. Exact same thing. Here's a link to a foprum where the exact same problem is described: http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/electrical-forum-general-electrical-forum/39716-ade-optima-compact.html Edited February 28, 2016 by bruceyc Link to comment https://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/topic/39808-optima-compact-problem-head-scratching/#findComment-441810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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