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Hello guys & galls.

Here in Portugal, an intrusion panel cannot be used for Fire + Intrusion detection. I don't know if this is the same in the UK. We are required to have fire and intrusion panels separately.

- Does anyone know if this might be a local standard or does EN standards require this (and thus would be the same in the UK)?

- If one had a fire detector in this situation and the zone was classed "Fire" on the intrusion panel, in case of a triggering, wouldn't the alarm receiving centre know that it's a fire sensor (due to protocols communications between panel and receiving centre), thus calling up the fire brigade first (FIRE!) and notifying local authorities later (no burglary, but there's still a fire on)?

Best regards.

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UK Fire Standards would require dedicated fire equipment where a fire alarm was a requirement, there are many homes with smoke detectors linked to the intruder alarm but this has been for a 'comfort' factor, rather than as a 'requirement'.

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Hello guys & galls.

Here in Portugal, an intrusion panel cannot be used for Fire + Intrusion detection. I don't know if this is the same in the UK. We are required to have fire and intrusion panels separately.

- Does anyone know if this might be a local standard or does EN standards require this (and thus would be the same in the UK)?

- If one had a fire detector in this situation and the zone was classed "Fire" on the intrusion panel, in case of a triggering, wouldn't the alarm receiving centre know that it's a fire sensor (due to protocols communications between panel and receiving centre), thus calling up the fire brigade first (FIRE!) and notifying local authorities later (no burglary, but there's still a fire on)?

Best regards.

UK Fire Standards would require dedicated fire equipment where a fire alarm was a requirement, there are many homes with smoke detectors linked to the intruder alarm but this has been for a 'comfort' factor, rather than as a 'requirement'.

Generally this is the case (not going to go into the whole part 6 thing).

With regards to the brigade responding to a fire signal via an ARC that was generated by a smoke detector on an intruder system - it has been covered elsewhere here but they don't like it for a variety of reasons (no seperate control panel,not being able to silence bells without resetting,zoning wrong etc.)

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Thank you both.

I understand most people have smoke detectors on intrusion panels. This though, is a no-no from standards/law point-of-view, right? Is it allowed (again, we're talking law!) to use smoke detectors on these panels?

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Thank you both.

I understand most people have smoke detectors on intrusion panels. This though, is a no-no from standards/law point-of-view, right? Is it allowed (again, we're talking law!) to use smoke detectors on these panels?

Best regards.

in normal size domestic properties in the UK, yes.

new & larger domestic properties come under newer/different regulations but in general terms again yes.

the only legal requirment comes under the building regulations which require mains powered with battey back up smoke detectors in the hall ways.

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It does depend though, there is no law stopping you but if smoke detection is a requirement under law in that property then as a rule, no it is not sufficient to comply.

James

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in normal size domestic properties in the UK, yes.

new & larger domestic properties come under newer/different regulations but in general terms again yes.

the only legal requirment comes under the building regulations which require mains powered with battey back up smoke detectors in the hall ways.

Well thank you all! Most appreciated.

Best regards.

It does depend though, there is no law stopping you but if smoke detection is a requirement under law in that property then as a rule, no it is not sufficient to comply.

James

Yeah, understood that. When fire detection IS a requirement, appropriate fire panels are necessary. When not, you can use fire detectors on intrusion panels (because there's no law stopping you) as a 'comfort' feature.

Best regards.

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Well thank you all! Most appreciated.

Best regards.

Yeah, understood that. When fire detection IS a requirement, appropriate fire panels are necessary. When not, you can use fire detectors on intrusion panels (because there's no law stopping you) as a 'comfort' feature.

Best regards.

Thats about it in very general terms.

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