Of course approval matters, but in a pile of quotes beside the arm chair the diferences between SSAIB and NSI do not matter

I agree Rich, but dont you think that both inspectorates need to do more to educate consumers as why they should have an approved alarm rather than letting insurance companies and acpo dictate this. I would also go as far as saying they could do this jointly rather than trying to be better/bigger than the other, after all are we not all trying to achieve the same thing.

Colin.

The choice of contractor must remain with the consumer. Thats the first thing

I agree.

After that it is up to the industry to sort out what happens. The inspectorates can only advise consumers via installers as it is only installers who have contact with the users.

What about the Insurance co's and the Police? they all have contact.

When the surveyor is selling, he has to compete with the diy systems, the sparks and the fit fast and run brigades, so my point is that if the inspectorates did more to promote what is correct practise should be, then the surveyor only needs to sell a package that best meets the clients needs, not having to educate them too as to the problems of regulated and unregulated products.

The inspectorates could reinvest the money that they spend on trade exhibitions and roadshows on end user awareness, after all if you are in the trade wouldn't you know about the inspectorates aready.

Colin

Not if they have a joint campaign and I think the inspectorates do make enough money to afford more public advertising.

Hi Clare,

Phil from Sparks Security Systems in the Republic of Ireland.

Give Bob Stewart of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx in Runcorn he used to be my business partner before I moved to Ireland. This man is passionate about quality and is SSAIB recognised. He will issue a certificate of compliance for your insurance company. If your insurance company refuse this report them to trading standards as ALL alarm companies HAVE to install to EN50131 wether they are SSAIB or NSI(NACOSS)

Best of Luck

Phil Hayes

Bigger the better ..?

B)

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Just to add my bit - NACOSS is like the "hoover" of vacuum cleaners and was more widely known to brokers. Apart from very high risk premises (and not always) the SSAIB should be on an equal footing with NSI (NACOSS). Insurance brokers very rarely know what they are talking about when it comes to security systems and they have been so used to the term "NACOSS" for so many years that they don't bother reading new memos about the new wording they are supposed to say, which is along the lines of "we will accept any alarm company as long as it is regulated by an inspectorate recognised by UKAS, of which there are only two: the NSI and the SSAIB.

As an SSAIB company this used to be a daily problem for us (stupid insurance companies causing us to lose business for no reason whatsever - clients always nearly always listen to their insurers and think that SSAIB companies are inferior), which thankfully over the last couple of years has abated.

Welcome to the forums mate - but can you have a look HERE please. Thx, Dave.

stupid insurance companies causing us to lose business for no reason.

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why not join nsi nacoss gold & pass the cost on to your cleints

The cost will go up for them for the fact that they have the extra service and facilities, plus the added benefit of the ability to have police response, hence the larger cost of a system installed by a registered company.

plus the added benefit of the ability to have police response,

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Zak's in the ssaib??

True, please except my appologies, I misread the post. The additional cost I was refering to was to the end user for getting EITHER an SSAIB or NACOSS company to fit a monitored system, my mistake.