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4 minutes ago, norman said:
Why would they need a need a pry bar.
On the odd occasion you lock the door where your keys are kept
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29 minutes ago, GalaxyGuy said:
It means that the panel uses an analogue to digital device to measure the voltage at the zone. The zone wiring includes resistors that, in various combinations, set the voltage to a different threshold. If the voltage is in a certain range, then that means the zone is open another range and the zone is closed. It allows the panel to determine multiple states with a single zone wire. Of course, with respect to 0v. So active sensors can have as little as three cores and still provide tamper and fault status.
These 'connected' devices would need to interface with opto isolation or field effect transistors in order to not impact the voltages at the zones. The American market panels are more crude in their zone implementations. Just a pulled up transistor, so less of an issue for external connection.
If the addon panel was connected at setup time wouldn't the glaxy panel then consider it to be "part of the sensor" if you know what I mean, as the resistance would then change including the addon board?
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31 minutes ago, norman said:
Same, both sets are left in the cloak cupboard by he front door, which to be fair we've only been locking for the past couple of years (yeah yeah I know).
The Mrs still often leaves her car unlocked, in the 12 years we've been here I've only heard of one opportunist taking a sat nav from a neighbours unlocked vehicle.
Were a cul de sac off a cul de sac so to speak so it's too far off the beaten track for an opportunist and the neighbours all have far nicer cars then me so whilst there's are on the drive mine is relatively safe I reckon.
There is an argument to leave them half way up the stairs in view, this means they are safe from some but those willing to come upstairs will get them before the **** hits the fan so to speak.
Read about so many hard men and what they would do and whilst I'm no shrinking violet it's an insured asset and I have far more to lose then them so they can have it.
eta, actually I did capture one incident on the CCTV, a neighbour was putting his trade waste in my bin when I put it out for collection.
Well at least everyone now knows where to go with the pry bar after entering
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3 minutes ago, GalaxyGuy said:
I'm currently working on a virtual RIO module as part of something that I want for my own home automation. I'll sell this for the bigger panels like the FX100+ and GD96 upwards, as they have lots of links available. The virtual RIO sits on the RS485 bus and will consume 4 addresses, giving 16 outputs and 32 inputs in virtualised form. On my own system, I currently have lots of outputs programmed to switch lights, heating and garage door Etc, but I either control them from the app, or guard codes. I've been looking at OpenHab, so would like a way for linked zones with virtualised outputs to provide the OpenHab 'things' with status update calls over IP. There shouldn't be any reason that the virtualised RIO cannot send the calls to any other controller, it's just a matter of the appropriate protocol.
This is basically what some of these other hardware vendors do for Vista, but instead of the compatible device, they physically hook into the existing zones and outputs wiring. This would cause an issue for the Galaxy, as it uses balanced circuits, so any external influence on the circuits would cause problems. The virtual RIO will only need connected to the bus and an Ethernet connection, so a simple addition. Since the inputs and outputs are programmable, it's entirely up to the person who configures the system as to the level of control allowed. An input call to the virtual RIO could set a zone as active and in turn fire another physical panel output, or set the system. Basically anything that the panel is capable of. For me, I think the timers and sequence based logic is limited on the Galaxy, and that's where the home automation excels.
Hmm what does balanced circuits mean exactly? so you couldn't just wire a Konnected.io panel to the same zone terminals as a sensor?
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4 minutes ago, james.wilson said:
I use a fob, but I don't have my address on my keys. It's a bit like contact less payment it's just easier but I do use a code in the morning or tge app on the phone
Also chances are your car is worth more than the stealable contents of your home
But then if your keys are accessible when an intruder gets in they can disarm in a few seconds right? Just want to be clear on that's how it works
Of course it would be stupid to leave them accessible but accidents happen and it seems like a huge issue to me.
I guess everyone's homes, cars and lifestyle are different so who knows!
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Just now, james.wilson said:
This viewpoint always suprises me, what do you do with your (or wifes) car
Thanks
Well you are spot on especially with these extenders and such these days I don't leave my keys by the front door. However surely this depends on what is more valuable right to determine the risk.
I also just don't see a huge convenience of placing a fob against the panel over typing in a code, unless I'm totally missing something here!
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1 minute ago, james.wilson said:
good feedback, do you like the mk8 then?
Well it looks alright, better than the MK7
I don't see the touchpanel warrants any extra money, looks quite cheap to me comparing it to devices like Nest stats etc. It will literally be used to arm/disarm because everything else can be done from the mobile app anyway
And I'm not going for the Prox one because that just seems stupid to me from a security standpoint, like if you drop your keys, loose the fob, or leave your keys by the front door which my wife will prob do all the time!
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18 hours ago, MrHappy said:
Your on the internet asking a random bunch of spackers how to do your alarm....
If the choice was between you & AMCO to do my alarm, I'd choose you
mk7 & mk8, strange...
mk7 is cheaper and will be in the server cupboard, whereas the mk8 looks nicer and will be in the hall
. That's assuming you're wondering why i'm getting both.
Yea I wasn't going to let AMCO touch anything in the house, even run cables. The agreement I made with them was to literally install their speaker setup and into the panel and then monitor it
20 hours ago, PeterJames said:Are you saying you used Cat6 for the alarm cables?
haha no! that's for all the points around the house, APs, CCTV (all PoE etc), TVs etc.
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21 hours ago, al-yeti said:
Stick to the sterling dude
Ok I understand
I forget your going with an arc
For price difference flex 20 for someone who wants to make it do more you will have less hassle having a bigger panel later
I would definitely putting contacts on all the windows in your house aslong as you pay up
Easiest way is wireless in this case
Yea this is why I didn't see a need for a bigger panel though, because I'm getting the wireless addon I can add contact to any windows that I missed.
I agree more working space is nice, I'm used to bigger cables but I don't see any additional wires of boards going in here that I've not already got?
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2 hours ago, al-yeti said:
What will you use the GSM module for? Cheaper to run the selfmon I reckon through the network card , get more for your money
Flex 20 will be to small for you judging by how you talk flex 50
I thought the GSM module was for backup for dual path signalling is that not right?
Can you expand on what is too small about the flex20? Im not using the door control and only have a 5 bed house so tbought it would be ok as it says for medium size businesses!
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Gone for this kit:
- C005-M-E2 - Flex 20 Panel v3.1 Firmwar
- CP050-00-01 - MK8 Keypad
- CP037-XX - MK7 Keypad
- A083-00-01 - Ethernet Module v3 firmware
- A073-00-01 - RF Portal v3 firmware
- A081-00-01 - GSM module
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Again I think the discussion around monitoring company went off topic too, I did some research but AMCO were the only ones who seemed interested in helping, and another firm in Knightsbridge I can't remember their name.
If my insurance company is happy with them as a monitoring station I don't see the problem if their services work. Happy to hear feedback but everything online seems positive, more so than ADT.
Also happy to hear other suggestions for South East monitoring.
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14 hours ago, MrHappy said:
Domestic property of a certain risk - proper alarm with proper signalling, jewellery / watches Faberge eggs or whatever kept in safe of certain type.
AMCO, you appear to want something cheap, they appear to have no approval for any of their scope of works.
ADT ect..., if going to take days to fit , I assume over a grand just for the man hrs
Konnected, again looks cheap & cheerful,
Envisalink - looks cheap & cheerful...
DSC - I believe they've fully withdrawn for the UK for a number of years, I thought they where pants...
The out the box solution is texecom ect & control4 ect...
Wired alarm in a bigish house couple of grand, control4 much much dearer
I be happy to instruct any of my cleint's to do the wiring, however depend on who & what I may want paying to do so
I've already run all the cables, no issue there.
No I don't want something cheap, I talked with AMCO because they offered the ability to add their equipment alongside one of these boards that I may add on. ADT, no thanks, the rep who came out was a complete *****, excuse my french.
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19 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:
Why not run your own cables and get a small decent approved company to fit some decent kit? Not saying all companies would all be up for that or that they may want some disclaimer about existing cabling faults, but worth asking.
Fitted a few DSC in the past for an integration job, specced by a HA company.... Uses an interface with a serial bus so the HA can see all the devices live, the rest was all done on the HA side. It was just weird foreign tat IMO nothing special.
All these North American panels are just not designed for the UK market, they may work as an alarm but not conform and support will be limited from manufacturers and installers.
JW listed most of the usual UK market panels, Galaxy Texecom Eaton etc. Have you actually decided if your DIYing or not because that's the first step really. Talking manufacturers is useless if your still thinking your getting someone in.
Everything is already run, I've run all the sensors many months ago when we had a lot of work done, alone with probably 50 Cat6
I'm going with the Dimension or Flex, just deciding atm.
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So after some more googling think I'm going to go for the Honeywell Flex series, seems a little less over the top than the Dimension for my use case, and also kits come with ethernet module so i can at least have some limited smart functionality until konnected's new panels come out
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16 hours ago, MrHappy said:
As with any policy, the wording is rather important, you may think you you have the correct items in place.
Should you wish to make a claim, you may hit a snag...
I was trying to imply... I can think on no reason on earth why I'd use 'em
Your best bet is buy your preferred board & **** about with it on the bench & work out want it can & can't do, if don't work out ebay it
Any half decent alarm has outputs & zone programmable as key switches
Sure I will check the wording again but I was quite clear as to what I was doing and as I say this is a specialist policy with many other security features in place that they are more bothered about.
About AMCO, if you are saying you would never use them could you shed some more light on that? I've not signed up to anything but I was going to go with them because they talked to me on a lower installer level if you like, I said I would route cables and such for them (being a sparks would rather do this myself, I've seem cable routing by some alarm companies (no offence or generalisation meant!)). Whereas ADT and others just gave me the sales pitch and a ridiculous quotation.
Yea this Konnected panel just piggybacks, and if I get all of these events to HA I can do lots of cool things, at least what I think is cool
14 hours ago, datadiffusion said:Does not compute
LOL just about sums the market up.
£2k budget for HA
£20 budget for security panel
No idea what this means, I'm sure it's not helpful though
If you're referring to my budget then you have no idea as I didn't even mention one!
If anyone lives in the south east I would be happy taking personal advice/quote to the work on the panel, I've since retired from electrics and I've not even got round to fully finishing everything else I've wired in yet and in all honesty I just want this done so I can work on some cool scripts
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Envisalink - They replies and said the best bet for UK market would be DSC 1864, DSC 1832, DSC 1616. These panels any good or should I just go with the mid-range Honeywells or HKC? I think I looked into the DSC some time ago and wanted to go with the newer panels, Neo? But I don't think they were supported so didn't go down that route
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I also want to add this, because so many people have commented on hooking up these addon boards, and I don't see anything wrong with monitoring the board in such a way?
https://help.konnected.io/support/solutions/articles/32000028384-wiring-a-interface-expansion
With an Interface board (not a standalone setup I was going for), I can buy any dedicated UK panel and just monitor it with this. Then I can perform additional things that I want myself such as push notificaitons/emails, other actions on smart equipment in my home etc etc
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4 minutes ago, MrHappy said:
Your intending to use uncommon & probably ungraded equipment, Verbally confirmed by a call centre & is quite different from confirmed in writing
I have it confirmed in writing and have an open policy with the insurers that allows for my suggested setup. The policy is specialist and the underwriters also.
4 minutes ago, MrHappy said:The UK is currently in the middle of social distancing, which one of the many reason I wouldn't touch 'em with a barge pole
Not sure what this is about, I never said I would be having them walk in tomorrow?
4 minutes ago, MrHappy said:You gonn have to bodge something together if you want something to work with a $129 US DIY type of thing ?
Who knows, i'm on the path to find out. These things are plug and play with the Vista range, I'll need to see if that's the case with the UK variants.
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4 minutes ago, james.wilson said:
No EU complaint panel I know of does this. Honeywell galaxy and vista are not related in any way. The vista is an ademco product, the galaxy/dimension is a microtech one
Anything will do that
Again any proper comms will connect to an EU panel we do it every day, but insurance approval needs nsi etc approval (i note you know this)
Most panels are available as hybrid options allowing rf and hard wired
A hybrid will utilise your existing wiring (assuming enough cores and in tact)
Your biggie issue is nothing professional is designed to connect to Home assistant nativly due to the risks involved in that sector. Your not imho gonna tick all your boxes. You can get the functionality you require just not with HA. So as alyeti says if you list what you need functionalilty wise then that would exclude other products maybe already mentioned
I appreciate the replies but again you are hung up on this homeassistant thing, I know I want this flexibility but addon boards can cater for this and I can contact the manufacturer to make sure any panel I look to buy will work with it.
So that aside so far we are looking at Honeywell Accenta/Optima as the option for residential systems without being overkill, or HKC SW-10270?
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27 minutes ago, al-yeti said:
I think what your doing is overkill
Hence overkill on panel
Anything other than a decent panel won't do what you want
As others suggest above
Bullet point and list of what you need and keep it simple
Or we send you to Mr H for confession time
Actually Norman might be good at that to....
I really don't get forums sometimes, I came here with good intentions and tried to write a clear OP which I thought included everything already.
If there is something missing from it then maybe ask me a question to clarify?
- Ability to connect to Home Assistant, via Alarm Decoded or Envisalink boards
- External Keypads and Siren
- Ease of connection for central monitoring station such as AMCO (dual path for insurance)
- I would prefer the option to also add additional sensors that I missed off via RF as well, even panic buttons etc if that's possible.
- All sensors are currently wired back to central location, windows, doors, pirs etc
38 minutes ago, PeterJames said:Maybe you need to tell us exactly what you need the panel to do
Apart from numbers I thought I did this, seriously I did.
To add to my OP it is for my house (i'm 99% sure everyone assumed this anyway but just to clarify), so therefore I don't need 1000 users, 5000 zones and 2000 door controls
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The Honeywell Dimension seems like some serious overkill looking at it's specs, did you suggest this because of something specific I requested or?
Maybe I should have asked this a different way, what is the equivalent of the Honeywell Vista 21IPLTE in the UK?
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Hi all,
Thanks for all of the replies, I think we've got bogged down in the insurance element, to be clear my insurer is fine with the Konnected.io panel I was waiting for with AMCO's live monitoring software/hardware connected as they specified.
So all I was looking for here was a good panel for use in the UK that I can hook up with Home Assistant via Envisalink or another similar board. The system can still be armed etc from keypads so whatever additional information is passed to home assistant I don't see why that's a bad thing. I was going to use it to turn on all lights or other things when alarm is triggered for example.
Few people have mentioned HKC, what panel specifically? Are there no recommended Honeywell panels? Lets get back to the hardware recommendations!
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Hi all,
So after waiting 6 months already for Konnected.io's new Pro v2 panel I've had enough and need to find another solution!
After a lot of googling I found that Envisalink v4 with a Honeywell panel may be my best option as I use Home Assistant for all automatons and devices in the home and I've already bought a load of Honeywell DT8016AF5 Sensors. However, I was going to buy a Honeywell Vista 21IPLTE before I realised it seems like its a US panel (because it has a 120v transformer).
I then stumbled upon this website and thought lets get some advice on the best panel to do the following:
- Ability to connect to Home Assistant, via Alarm Decoded or Envisalink boards
- External Keypads and Siren
- Ease of connection for central monitoring station such as AMCO (dual path for insurance)
- I would prefer the option to also add additional sensors that I missed off via RF as well, even panic buttons etc if that's possible.
- All sensors are currently wired back to central location, windows, doors, pirs etc
Can't wait to finally get a good setup so all advice welcome! Maybe the Vista panel is ok with a different transformer as I think it handles all of my above points?
Which Honeywell Panel in UK? - Gave up waiting for Konnected.io
in !!..DIY Installers..!!
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There is a huge difference between buying cheap hardware and being smart by only paying for better aesthetics where they are needed.
Good job on trying to be smart there though