CR Alarms

Beg your pardon al yeti, misread your last post, Is the pyronix wireless add on thing something which I can connect to my 9600 which enables me to add wireless devices such as shock sensors ect? thanks

al yeti, I have no intention on replacing a fully working system,however If it ever does die i will take your suggestion, but for the moment my question is will the blue line completely ignore the dog regardless if it jumps on the couch? I believe its says it on its spec will ignore any animal below 40lbs. its just a small dog we are talking about here and weighs a stone (14lbs) at best. thanks

Hi, ideally yes I should probably scrap the panel but it still works and its not broken so why replace it? The issue is we now have a dog and it gets irritating having to mess around with the keypad switching off certain zones before setting the system. Before I would just enter the pin select group A then leave, happy days, but now I have to mess around with the omit setting. I will give the bosch blue line a go but will it ignore the dog jumping on the couch thats the question? if not I guess I will just have to lock it in a room upstairs regardless what the missus say.Wiring shock sensors is not an option I'm afraid even if I wanted to (tiled floor, finished walls ect, it will be messy) thanks for the help.

Hi guys I hope you are all well. I was wondering what the best dual tec pet tolerant pir is? I have a scantronic 9600 with 3 door contacts and 4 pirs (aritech ev125p) you may be familiar with them, they have proved to be very reliable over the years rarely ever had a false alarm if any. Until! we get a dog, well a chorkie, its kind of a mix between a yorkie and chihuahua, non the less an annoying hyper ankle biter. The issue is whenever someone passes the house or rings the doorbell while we are away the dog would jump on the couch near the window and go mental this triggers the lounge pir and sets off the alarm, It has got the the point where I have to omit the lounge and upstairs hall pir. This gets pretty irritating after a while, I would like the whole house to be armed and not parts of it. So what I am after is a very reliable pet tolerant pir, dual tec preferably. I have had a look at the risco i wise and bosch blueline, I read that they will ignore any animal up to 40lbs but does that mean they will still ignore the dog even when it jumps on the couch? what are your experiences? Do you know of any better pet pirs? If it were up to me i would just lock it in a room but the missus like to give it the freedom to roam around the house Any help would be appreciated, thanks

Thanks :), don't worry I have no intention poking around inside the components. I had a pretty nasty belt from a strobe once some years ago,NOT NICE! I put it down to inexperience, luckily the bellbox wasn't too high up.

Hi all, I have a question for you experts, something I have been wondering for a while,What voltages do the piezo's run at in the bellboxes? and are they a shock hazard? On many bellboxes I fit I notice the piezo's are connected to a small transformer on the pcb, (at least I think its a transformer it certainly looks like one). When the sounder is operated I notice the voltage pen lights up red around the cables to the piezo's. I know the xenon strobe circuit is definitely a shock hazard (High voltage strobe capacitor and trigger transformer). Do the piezo's run at high voltage when sounding and are they shock hazard? Just curious, thanks

I came across a scantronic 9600 recently which had an old Aritech AS256 indoor siren and Elmdene prima 300. The Aritech siren was wired to 9600 speaker terminals (which were marked "Siren". The aritech siren was just a simple 4 wire internal siren, 2 for tamper and 2 for power,It had a driver board and a big single piezo which looked like the tophat style piezo's, What a volume it had probably the loudest internal sounder I've come across but unfortunately they are long obsolete same with the scantronic 9600 great system. The elmdene primas were also very good sounders but also obsolete sadly, I liked the fast blinking red/green leds on them. I have a second hand prima 200 somewhere in the shed which still works but unlike the 300 it has no cut off timer so cannot install :(.

Looks pretty good, are they loud like the standard elmdene 16 ohm speakers?

Hi all, has anyone had the chance to try one of those new flushmount elmdene speakers? If so are they any good?

Those new elmdene flushmount speakers look very good I will try one out, lets just hope its got the volume if so happy days

Thanks guys, I will give them call and find out. I fit bells only systems so if I'm going to use a sounder I would like to try make sure that I am fitting the best possible, best as in volume,high visibility strobe and comfort leds and reliability. I used to use texecom but stopped using them due to their piezo's failing, then I moved onto the klaxon flashguards xl and xtras,which I use most of the time. I did fit the occasional novagard 2 but its been a long time since I used one so I can't quite remember how loud they were. Sorry for the life story I'm getting carried away lol. thanks.

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Hi all I heard about this sounder and have seen it has been mentioned a few times on this forum. Its apparently the dogs bollox (besides the masterblaster). I believe this novagard4Q is a self contained siren with an on board 12v battery and has 4 piezo's and sounds at 123db! This sounder sounds perfect for any location. Can you still buy this sounder? if so where? thanks. I have seen the novagard 4 but I don't think its quite the same. any help would be appreciated.

lol yeah,no thanks but thanks anyway. The scantronic 9600 is just for my house only, it was already there when we moved in, I defaulted it and kept it maintained it all these years.I am a scantronic fan myself and usually fit 9651's and 9751's with risco pirs and either a flashguard xl or the novagard 2 for the bellbox. I wonder how old the scantronic 9600/9800 will be now? out of curiousity.

Thank you, I am sorry if I offended you that was not my intention. I will run the second bellbox as an scb just to avoid any risks. I would imagine one slightly quieter sounder is much better than no alarm due to a tripped poly. In which case the total load in alarm will now be 840mA, does that sound more reasonable to you? thanks

Lol very funny, but can we get serious now please, I appreciate that you shouldn't load a panel up to its max rating and expect it to work fine. But this panel is rated to 1250mA the maximum current I will draw from it will be 1049mA in an alarm condition(if new souder is set to sab) so I would not be overloading the panel and I would have 201mA left to spare on the system, I appreciate that you shouldn't overload the bell output either that is why I would like to know it rating, I would of thought as you guys had experience of these systems you may know? In reality would this system cope with 1049mA in an alarm condition?. Could there be another way to drive this bell in sab? Perhaps draw its power from the aux supply outputs and use a small relay triggered by bell trigger so it will not load its output?. I would really like to avoid an additional power supply. Thanks

I told you the battery in the panel is a 7ah, you obviously didn't read my post properly, I gave you the whole spec for this panel. Never mind I will just run the second bell as an SCB just to keep the load to a minimum, 840mA sounds more reasonable. I would imagine the 40C 800mA ambient temparature part is redundant seeing as I do not live in spain and as panel is not mounted in the airing cupboard. One more come to think of it, is sab worth the extra fuss over an additional power supply? is scb still loud enough to scare someone off?.

Hi I will do my best to make it clearer as this is a very old system. Here is the specifications from the 9600 installation manual. Warning this might be long. Power Supply A. The total current available from the control panel is as follows System output current (Ambient temperature 20 degrees C) = 1250 mA System output current (Ambient temperature 40 degrees C) = 800 mA B. Alarm demand current To calculate the required current in an alarm condition. add all the current consumption of all detectors, sounders, strobes, communicators and any other devices wired to the system. This will provide the total alarm demand current. Subtract the alarm demand from the power supply output current. Any extra current requirement will be supplied by the battery in an alarm condition. Note that if the obattery is not capable of supplying the extra current it will be necessary to increase the size of the battery. The power supply will recharge a 6ah battery within the time specified in the British Standards for Intruder alarms. C Outputs The programmable outputs 1 and 2 are rated at up to 1 amp surge output. However, it is recommended that the continuous current drawn from these outputs does not exceed 500ma. Note these 2 programmable outputs are switched positive outputs,positive applied or positive removed, they are not a true 0v potential. So there you have it this is a clear as I can make it. There is no mention of what the bell and strobe are rated at. My standby current currently is 240mA and the full alarm current is 729mA. The battery in the panel is 7ah it is the biggest that will fit in the case. Flashguard bellbox in sab mode is 320mA total and in scb mode it is 110mA. When I fit this additional bellbox the total current for the system in full alarm will be 1049mA if the new bell is to sab, or 839mA total on scb. What I would like to know is will the bell/strobe output take this current or will it likely trip the poly when it alarms?. Thanks

Its a 7ah battery.

Hi guys I have a scantronic 9600 in my house, very old system I know but still works fine.I will be installing another bellbox for the back of my house (flashguard Xl). Ideally I would like this sounder on sab just like the front bell box which is also a flashguard xl for maximum volume. I am unsure how much current the bell and strobe output is for this panel? From the 9600 manual It says the maximum current that can be drawn from the system is 1250ma @20 degrees or 800@ 40 degrees ambient temperature. I have taken a current measurement for my alarm and it is 240ma in standby and 729ma in full alarm currently. So do you think it would be safe to install the second bellbox set to sab or will it likely trip the poly as soon as the panel triggers? Does anyone know from experience how much the bell/strobe polyfuse can tolerate on this system? My total current in alarm will soon be 1050ma if this new bell is set to sab, or 840ma if I set it scb. The flashguard in sab mode in full alarm and strobe draws 320ma in total, For scb mode it is 110ma. Any help would be appreciated on this thanks.

The Cqr is louder than both the flashguard and novagard?, which cqr bell are you talking about cequra, multibox sigma? thanks

LOL indeed. the flashguard xl twin piezos is 118db so they say on the specs, I'm unsure about the novagard 2 however? I have seen a lot of them around with their super bright red leds but never heard one go off. I don't want to waste money if the volume turns out to be **** which a lot of other sounders are sadly despite what they say on their specifications. thanks

Hi all I have got another question for you. I am debating whether I should use the flashguard xl, xtra twin piezo bellboxes (I am talking about newer flashguards sounders, not the old single piezo XL module), or the risco novagard 2 twin piezo bellbox. Which one of the two is louder and more efficient? Thanks.

Hi all. Yes I was just messing about the masterblaster way too overkill for a domestic house I think. I had a play around with the internal speakers trying out different brands and out of all them the elmdene speaker was definitely the loudest by a long shot, So elmdene speakers it is for me. The sonit1 speaker volume was very unsatisfactory it wouldn't even scare away a cat let alone the burglar he would probably just laugh at it and carry on robbing the house,however when I tried the elmdene speaker that just about took my ears off I wouldn't want to be in the same room as it, very good sound distribution around the house. Thanks.

Thanks for clearing that up much appreciated. I suppose the nice klaxon 127db master motor siren wouldn't go a miss on some installs I can hide it somewhere discreet