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On 2016/9/17 at 2:25 AM, JasonOfOz said:
We are already using systems that can control access via smartphone. Could you let us know how your system is different to:
- HID Twist & Go
- Sclak
- Brivo MobilePass
- Kisi
We are already using systems that can control access via smartphone. Could you let us know how your system is different to:
- HID Twist & Go
- Sclak
- Brivo MobilePass
- Kisi
All the product you listed focus on using smartphone as credential, or using mobile APP as managing tool.
While our system is more than that, besides all the functions they have, we add biometrics in our APP, you could use the fingerprint module on the smartphone for identification, just like fingerprint access control.
And our system support multiple communication technology, user could open the door from anywhere. The products you listed are for either proximity access control or remote control.
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On 2016/8/5 at 2:23 AM, PeterJames said:
To be fair it is quite hard to think of new innovative ideas, Aaron has come up with a couple of ideas, neither of them are likely to be successful for one reason or another but it is good that he is thinking up new ideas. Keep it up Aaron and maybe one day you will think of something that will change the world.
Android hacking is not really a hard problem, I'm sure you could give some other in depth thinking on it, I will appreciate.
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On 2016/8/5 at 0:51 AM, petrolhead said:
So hack the smartphone and you have full access? Do you realise how easy it is to comprimse android devices and get full access without the user being aware? It's a piece of piss, and many are exploiting it. I wouldn't be putting my name to that sort of risk, especially something built to the usual chinese standards.
LOL, sounds like you know much about android hacking.
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Are you still using traditional proximity card and fingerprint for access control? My company has a new product may change the future of access control.
You can own multiple identification technologies, and control the door from anywhere now. We make use of cloud service and smartphone, to let you spend less, but own more. You don't need to buy other devices, the only thing you need is a smartphone. Almost everybody has a smartphone now, so I think it's very potential.
The picture shows how it works, are you guys interested in it?
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Many of HID's products are proprietary, if you use Mifare or Desfire, or CPU card, there will be countless choices
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Hi guys, I'm here again to share some news. We developed an access control DIY suite for home users, it could be fully operated on mobile APP.
I made an easy demo video of the iOS APP, please watch and give me your comments, your opinion will be appreciated very much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H07rYHbemzI
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Dahua is the second biggest CCTV supplier in China, next to Hikvision. If you go to ISC West, you would know China is dominating the CCTV market. If you are still buying in UK, I would recommend you to try Hikvision, Dahua and Uniview.
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5 hours ago, petrolhead said:
Many chinese power supplies, if the neutral becomes disconnected but the live remains, such as in the case of a severed cable or supply grid fault, the output side of the supply can rise to supply potential, giving 240v where only 12v is supposed to go. Fire and electrocution is a very real possibility, especially since so many chinese products come with no fuse protection and undersized wiring.
about 2 thirds of the ones we investigated had underrated components, inadequate primary-secondary isolation, single component failures can cause either supply potential at output terminals or the device to catch fire. The plastic housings are of poor construction, a small knock can smash them leaving bare live unfused connections. Thousands of other examples but i don't have all day to list them. There is no regulation to stop these parasitic companies putting out dangerous equipment with falsified specs, in the uk, at least there traditionally has been a guaranteed minimum standard of quality and safety so people who buy on price alone still get a reasonably safe product that does roughly what it says on the box(except maybe british cars, maybe communist manufacture is the common denominator in **** quality?), dealing with chinese companies, there are no such safeguards, anything goes and there are a lot of scum getting away with outright theft. Until something is done about that side of things even good chinese products will be disregarded as chinktat unfortunately.
Low quality product will exist for long in China, because most Chinese don't have enough budget like Europe countries. Sometimes your standard is not the same as China, and we don't know it, so when we don't know your standard, we just give you Chinese standard product.
And because of the corruption in quality audit, the falsified specs will exist too. But if you know the industry well, you could tell if the specs is falsified. When I worked in CCTV and LCD, I can easily find the conflict in specs. Most sales even don't have common sense in engineering.
5 hours ago, ElecTech said:Your right, but the world needs the low end **** kit markets to some degree. If everyone installed "quality" kit that was all to the same standard and everything was rounded and perfect.
What would distinguish the good from the bad? Nothing. I for one am glad in some ways there are mickey mouse kits out there. It separates the kind of installer that you are & level of service/products you can provide.
Agree
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5 hours ago, PeterJames said:
China is already cheaper because the labour is cheaper than in the UK. I dont think it is the buyers so much I think its because there are so many Chinese companies competing for the same work this is what drives the price down. I used to get emails daily from China with cameras for $5 -$10 etc. So to the inexperienced person would think the average price of a basic camera in China is $7.50. Many distributors here sell a camera that looks exactly the same at £40.00. Its not until you buy some sample from China you discover they are far from the same.
Many sellers offer stuff at cheap prices because they are trying to get your attention, what they dont understand is getting your attention is not the end game, if you want to be successful you need to have a constant flow to regular customers. Producing a quality product at a reasonable price (Still cheaper than you can buy in the UK) is the way to make it, this way you keep your customer happy.
I have a great relationship with my CCTV supplier and my fob supplier, they know that I want quality and I dont mind paying more for it. For example because I am based close to the sea cameras I have purchased from UK distributors have corroded very quickly. But the cameras I buy direct do not, because I pay extra to have all my cameras Ausbonded, I dont mind paying more because the camera still looks good two or three years after its been installed, and because the internals are Ausbonded it will probably not fail quite as soon as the cameras that are not.
China is not the only country that produces rubbish, but it is probably the worst for it, I visited some factories still producing rubbish while I was there asked why, the answer was because we are selling it, when I asked who to it was eastern Europe countries like Poland Ukraine
You are right. Many Chinese company only produce product of Chinese standard which may be not enough for UK standard. Because the competitors in China are all at that level. If you tell us what's your problem and what features you expect, we could offer the product you like. But so sad most buyers only ask for price.
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3 hours ago, norman said:
Reader looks OK, very Apple-esque graphics look ****.
Not the exactly same as Apple, looks like in the picture though. The white part is made of metal, so it's between grey and silver. And the black panel is acrylic.
2 hours ago, petrolhead said:What does the mushroom do? Does the room melt or start breathing?
HAHA, the graphics are just similar to numeric keys.
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4 hours ago, ElecTech said:
Looks good - is it touch screen or swipe? Or both?
Touch panel with LED back light, support Mifare card and mobile APP to open the door.
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44 minutes ago, norman said:
In answer to PJ I think the only reason there is cheap (often dangerous) tat for sale is there is a market for it, we are all guilty of driving prices down but are first to moan at the quality.
To make successful and lasting business, I think we should change our view.
Low-price is tempting for sure, and it's the most direct reason to get the order. But actually it's a bad strategy for long term running. Like smartphone market, in the past years, there are so many company can make a acceptable phone within 100 USD, they all compete with price. But now, where are they? Almost all are closed... But many company insist on quality are growing big, just like Huawei and OPPO, their price isn't lower than Samsung or LG. To make a good product means good engineer and good service, all these will spend money. At the beginning, some people buy cheap phone, but cheap phone isn't a pleasing product after all, if they have enough budget, they turn to big brands eventually, as long as it's within budget. Those keep lowing the price can only reduce the quality and service, to serve the people financially poor, struggle to earn the small money. So the conclusion is focusing on quality can grow big, while focusing on price will perish someday.
To run a healthy business, quality is the first, especially in developed country. Your budget is enough for good product, right?
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8 hours ago, PeterJames said:
The problem is not with the customer its with the seller, whats the point in making kit that is only going to last five minutes, or is poor and cheap quality? I think the Chinese culture is a bit strange, there are lots of places selling shanzhai mostly for export, but many Chinese are buying real quality designer products from the west. Finding a Chinese co that understands that quality is better than cheap or designer/popular look, is far harder than it should be. China can produce quality, the Metro is the envy of the world, far better than our tube, Hikvision is great kit for the money, Dahua the same, Huawei and Oppo phones, just to name a few. I dont understand why so many Chinese co's think its fine to produce stuff that looks okay but doesnt work.
Im listening Steve LOL
As a seller, I can't totally agree with you. The sellers has problems indeed, but buyers are partly responsible for it too.
In my experience, some buyers just come to China to buy cheap price product. The only question they ask about my product is the price. Although I told them the expensive model lasts long, they still choose to try the cheap model. Because their value is nothing other than knowing the price gap, they don't even want to learn about the product and test it.
Some buyers told me they came to buy good product, but they compare the price with the cheapest. I agree Hikvision, Dahua, Huawei, OPPO are all good, but they don't compete with price, except Hikvision. If you want to have good product, you have to pay the good price.
I just say this let you understand Chinese manufactures better. If you do want to get good product from China, stop comparing price with the cheap suppliers, you can get very good product if you only compare price with your domestic market. When you think you are smart enough to take advantage from bargain, the sellers will take advantage of this mind.
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Hi guys, our company is designing a reader. We want to make a reader for family house. Yesterday, I got the sketch. I attached the picture. You could tell me what do you think of the looking. The graphics are actually code keys.
If you could give some idea how to improve it, that would be awesome. Probably you could find your element in the future.
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5 hours ago, PeterJames said:
I have looked at Chinese Access control, it is not so user friendly as other products found, the software is basic. We have imported some stand alone keypads and biometric readers, push to exit buttons, green callpoints, they work but are not fantastic. It would be good to have a NVM that could be swapped with the standalone keypads, when they go wrong it is a pain to get all the fobs back and reprogram them to the new keypad.
Chinese stuff is much better than it used to be, I visited Shenzhen a couple of times last year found some reliable companies and specified my requirements for CCTV, some access, and proximity fobs, so now I get good stuff. Its an amazing place but the difference in quality between one product and another that look exactly the same on paper and physically is enormous, if China only made the good stuff rather than making **** and good stuff that looks the same more people would buy. That said its better for me if they dont, as I have an advantage over my competition.
Yes, not all Chinese product is of poor quality. But sometimes, inexperienced buyers only ask about price, then some company is able to make the product extremely cheap... So stop competing with price, buyers could only get the worst if they buy the cheapest.
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22 hours ago, petrolhead said:
It has no bearing on the uk market at all, although its not that hard to get a product through, at least it wasn't in 2004 when i was involved in getting telecoms, epos and gaming psus ul approved for export to the us working for a very small manufacturer, send the product off, either make any changes they request or
the toss, to which they will change their decision if you present a valid argument to them. I can see how it would be difficult to get the majority of the dangerous chinese ***** flooding the market these days by them though, but that doesn't stop them putting ul on the label anyway.
Do you work in access control? Please list some cases caused by Chinese product. I want to learn about it. Thanks
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Seems in many area, UL is mandatory. As a manufacture, UL is super expensive. I think it's a high barrier for small brands to compete in North American market.
Will you use any access control product that is without UL, if you know its performance is proven?
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I think your door with panic bar is a mechanical device, while access control system only drives electric lock.
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Hi, I have some news for you.
Our company developed a high standard security platform, can fulfill most needs in security project. It includes access control, cctv, alarm system and etc. There are many cool features:
1. Access Control + Video Surveillance + Alarm System all-in-one platform. To manage all security modules as a whole design.2. IP connection realize global deployment, centralized global management via one platform.3. Security is a whole system, automatic interaction makes your system smarter.4. Top security. Diverse security strategy and encrypted communication ensures 100% security.5. Mobile access control, to control your doors with smartphone6. Widely applicable in all industries.We are gathering feedback and any cool ideas about security platform. If you guys have any cool idea, please reply in this topic. I will forward them to our R&D. -
InButton - Mobile Access Control - Open & Manage Your Door with Smartphone
1. To open and manage your door with smartphone, access control has never been so smart before!2. InButton integrates your access control into one Exit Button. With fashionable touch panel button, InButton gives your house fashionable looking.3. Safer. Traditional small access control systems are usually reader, controller all-in-one design. It means you have to place your controller outside of the door, where is easy to hack. We place the controller into your exit button, it's indoor, impossible to hack.4. Economic. InButton is a one door controller, the most cost saving solution for small applications.5. Easy DIY. With InButton mobile APP and accessories, anyone can design his own access control system.This product is going to be released in June, 2016. If you are interested in it, please leave comments here or email me: #####REMOVED#######
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Hi everyone, I'm a sales engineer from an access control company in China.
We have many products, from control panel, to card reader, premium level, to economic level. Our access control platform is powerful, with integrated alarm system and CCTV, can be used in big comprehensive projects.
If you are interested in our product, please contact me.
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Hi guys, I'm a engineer from an Chinese access control company. We are designed a mini access control DIY set that will be economic and practical.
Now, most of small corporations would like to choose the all-in-one standalone access control system, which is a controller, reader all-in-one design, and the control module is placed outdoor. As a criminal with a little knowledge in engineering, he will know how to hack the control module easily. This is why all the professional controller and readers are separated design.
To make an easy access control system that both easy to use and safe, we designed a new access control DIY set. Even though for safety, it's separated design, the installation is even easier than normal standalone system. Moreover, we developed an APP to let users control and manage the system easily.
This design will lead the trend of future small access control systems. If you are interested in it, please leave comments here.
the toss, to which they will change their decision if you present a valid argument to them. I can see how it would be difficult to get the majority of the dangerous chinese ***** flooding the market these days by them though, but that doesn't stop them putting ul on the label anyway.
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Thank you for your information. About Brivo's feature, being in local wifi network for high security, I don't think it's convenient. Because when you need to open the door remotely, most of time you are on the street, some place random. If there is any reason that I don't know, please help me understand it. Personally, I think the security level mainly depends on encrypted communication and user authentication, so our APP will request password before conducting remote control, and fingerprint password is a convenient option.
I believe Apple's NFC will be open to public in the future, the bluetooth pairing process is a big disadvantage for spontaneous and non-persistent application.
At last, YOTI and CallSign, I don't know the exact technology inside, if you have information about it, please tell me, I'm very interested.