[Pyronix Enforcer - Earthing?]

34 minutes ago, Simlec said:

Your Enforcer panel has 3 terminals for the mains cable, live, neutral and earth.

the panel itself does not use a transformer it's a power supply like for your laptop and so will not require an Earth connection.

some modules do require an earth connection like the fixed telephone modem which is why it asked for an earth to be connected.

 

Great stuff, many thanks for clearing that up.

[Pyronix Enforcer - Earthing?]

Hi everybody,

 

Hope everybody is well?

 

The most simple of questions has stumped me (well, I am a DIY'er!).

 

I'm installing a Pyronix Enforcer. There is no earthing cable from the transformer in the panel - just live and neutral. But, in the installation manual it says it needs to be earthed. I automatically presumed with it being a plastic panel it wouldn't need earthing? (There isn't even an 'earth' symbol on the panel as you may see on appliances requiring an earth).

 

Please could somebody point me in the right direction on this one, please?

 

Thanks in advance

[Whats wrong with Yale?]

On 6/29/2016 at 0:36 PM, cybergibbons said:

We've just published a blog about why these alarms are not great. Stick with graded wireless or wired if possible. If you look on my personal site, you can see what I think of the various systems.

 

https://www.pentestpartners.com/blog/alarm-systems-alarmingly-insecure-oh-the-irony/

 

The short of it - easy to jam, easy to replay disarm signals, you can sniff the PIN over-the-air if you use a remote keypad, you can brute-force the PIN as well. I reported these issues to Yale 4 years ago.

Many thanks for the reply and for posting the link. Apologies for delayed response, I've not had access to my E-Mail for a while so didn't get the notification.

[Query of unknown name]

1 hour ago, MrHappy said:

I can't think of successful alarm installer franchise ?

 

Dyno does'nt seem to have done much,

 

Yale or Stanley would probably have the marketable names....

 

 

Actually, nor can I come to think of it... Lol

[Query of unknown name]

16 minutes ago, secureiam said:

read the terms before signing up.

 

how many approved installers do they have in the 30 mile radius and how many system do they have in your 30 mile radius?

 

sub contractors pay a fee to work for a company?

 

 

 

All good points for me to consider. Thanks

 

There would be one approved installer in that radius.

 

And yes, the sub contractors pay the fee, but it does have the perks mentioned (if that's the right word lol).

 

[Query of unknown name]

7 hours ago, james.wilson said:

welcome back

Thanks James

[Query of unknown name]

2 minutes ago, TSS said:

Generally, if things seem too good to be true they are... They're called clawbacks.

 

if you decide to do it, setup an LLP and make sure you don't give any guarantees on your house etc even for the bank!

 

once bitten twice shy

Sound advice. Really appreciate your reply.

[Query of unknown name]

31 minutes ago, norman said:

Hard if at all possible for them to come to you because the customer could't afford it, the franchise should still be credit checking the work you bring in, once it's signed over it's their issue.

Makes sense.

 

Thanks for your input

[Query of unknown name]

8 minutes ago, Nova-Security said:

Sounds like a dealership / franchise, i know a few people that got their fingers burnt by a large national, as their sales reps were selling systems to people who couldn't make the repayments and the T & C s were very good to make sure they didn't lose out.

Good advice. Thanks for your reply.

[Query of unknown name]

Hi all,

 

Sorry all, I don't really know what to call this query; it's not 'setting up business' per sé, but is related...

 

A national company approach you. They ask if you pay a fee to become an 'approved installer', you get little things such as Window/Van stickers, new uniform with your/their logo and all that, but you also would get paid to install all alarms on behalf of this company with a 30 mile radius of your base, as well as all alarm maintenance etc. All alarms and accessories are supplied. There are no restrictions on you continuing to fit your own alarms. Plus you benefit from their nation TV/radio advertising etc. So it's almost like a franchise, but your still your company and working for yourself.

Would this be worthwhile? And how much would you be looking to get per Wireless Alarm install under something like this?

Thanks I advance.

[Whats wrong with Yale?]

11 hours ago, PeterJames said:

On a two way system the detectors and control panel communicate with each other, the detector knows when the system is armed therefore they dont transmit detected movement when the system is unset. Two way control panels can also randomly pole the detection and if it does not receive a reply it knows it is missing. Some one way systems do have poling but this is initiated by the detector and the control panel is expecting a pole from each of the detectors within a set time period normally 24 or 12 hours. Sometimes with one way systems two detectors pole at the same time which makes the panel think that it is being compromised, or it just does not recognise the poling and goes into pole failure. I dont believe the Yale system poles at all, meaning that the panel would not know at all if the detector was missing.  

 

Many thanks for this informative reply, I really appreciate it.

I now feel like I know the flaws of these types of systems, and think when I move house I will switch to a decent Wired one.

 

Thanks again to all the really helpful replies.

 

I've been unable to give anybody 'kudos' which I thought was because I was using the Mobile Site, but I'm on a PC and still can;t, so I'm guessing it is because I'm new?

 

Either way many thanks for the replies everyone

[Whats wrong with Yale?]

7 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

 

Well for starters I believe it is one way wireless. This means the device (your sensor) transmits a message with the hope it gets there (the panel), it may or may not.

I also believed the encryption of the signals was either flawed or none existent on these DIY kits?

One way is only suited for very very low risk, many installers refuse to install it at all.

Thanks for this really helpful post. I appreciate the explanation too.

This makes much more sense now so thanks again.

I'm moving house soon, and there is already a wired system in, so I I can get that services and it is working ok, I think I will use that instead!

Sorry for another basic question, but would a two way alarm communication between panel and accessories confirming system armed?

Can't give 'kudos' on my Mobile for some reason, but will do when on a PC!

[Whats wrong with Yale?]

1 minute ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Frequency is only the transmission, security not related there.

Oh :/

Sorry I must have misunderstood! As I'm sure you can tell, I am not very knowledgeable about Alarms - in fact, I didn't know there was so much to Alarms until I recently found this Forum! But I am finding it all very interesting!

So, sorry to be such a noob but if the frequency isn't the issue with security; please can you explain what is?

 

[Whats wrong with Yale?]

45 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

have a look here

 

http://cybergibbons.com/?s=yale&submit=Search

Thanks for replying and providing the link.

 

I did have a read; it was mainly referring to the old Yale systems being problematic due to low frequency.

 

I have the 'Easy fit' telecommunicating alarm which uses the same frequency as the Pyronix Enforcer, so I feel a little better now

Thanks again for the info.

[Whats wrong with Yale?]

Hi all,

 

New to the Forums, so apologies if in wring section; mods please move if needed.

 

There's lots of posts slating Yale products, but I can't understand why? Is it because they are ungraded? Or is there another reason I should know (I have one myself!).

 

Sorry if this is a basic question. I searched, but could find nothing saying why they were bad, just that they are!

 

Thanks in advance.