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Can anyone explain or offer me a copy specification about how and what i am supposed to state on my contract to cover me due to poor remote viewing.
i have a customer who has very poor internet. The cctv pictures from the NVR are good, but when they remote view the quality is poor and the dwell or even freezing isnt acceptable.
I have stated that this is due to poor internet but they say they were not told that this could happen.
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Secom (I believe) use their strobe to activate on confirm.
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I installed one of those door knox things from SytemQ a few weeks back to a new build. The thing is intermittently buzzing and of course the customer wont pay and System Q are hopeless.
I suspect the sparks have wired in my cable routes as i have even temporary lashed cables across the floor and everything appears OK. But its intermittent so how would i know. If i fail all the mains its clear but again i cant do a prolonged test so how do i know.
I asked for a second kit on supply or return to prove kit but SQ are having none of it so ive purchased a second kit and the problem persist and im stuck with kit i dont want. BTW please dont tell me i shouldn't have bought from them. Hindsight isn't going to get me paid.
Anyone any experience in sorting this problem or even how to explain to the customer whats happening?
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21 hours ago, datadiffusion said:
Usually, but not if it's one of those thermal master jobbies, the big white ones that run at mains pressure, they're pretty efficient & cool outside.
I still wouldn't myself, though.
We have an airing cupboard with a cylinder. when the new cylinder went in as you described and the cupboard became the coolest room in the house. We had to install a tiny rad to compensate.
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1 hour ago, Nova-Security said:
This was a topic of discussion on Radio2 Jerremy Vine? Yesterday. Amongst the discussion was HIK having state funding and embedded access.
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Went to one today where display reports a supply issue and log says Sunday 15:30 node 1.
The system only has 2 x PSU and both are functioning as exspect yet the issue won't clear. Any suggestions?
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By looking at that site does it mean my computer is now mushed?
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9 hours ago, PeterJames said:
Why so angry??
Now I see it completely different from you EN50131 was not that far off 4737, The Grading was an improvement, alarm confirmation was an improvement, yes there were many things wrong with 50131 PD6662 made it workable (which again brings me back to my point) but you could say the same about 4737. 50131 did mean that I could employ French German and Polish engineers without having to provide to much training as they were already familiar with 50131 and that the purpose of having a EN standard end of the day.
Where did you pick up I was angry? I'm not. BTW confirmation predates EN introduction by more than 10 years in some cases.
Your international mix of engineers should require zero changes in regard to standards if they were a true standard. Do I need to post a smiley?
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Most jobs I do have mags on the corridor side as the doors open inwards same as Rulland. Not sure about protected area though. These are access control doors and not outside the protected premises as a whole. If they were perimeter doors I would see an issue.
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Interested, I'm not allowed to program user omit either. I've never asked why.
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50 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
So your saying that adding PD6662 was what made it workable ?
What I'm saying is we should Never have been forced into using an EN in the first place. Europe dictated we comply with things alien to our shores. BS4737 should have been allowed to evolve with the way the UK work. The EN never worked in the UK and therefore required amendment making it by default a poor document.
PD 6662 is a sticking plaster to that document. We now have the opportunity to write a proper engineering standard SPECIFICALY for the home market representing what we actually do. If we work over the water we should do as the locals require. It's us and them because Us (Europeans) don't exist other than some dictatorship ideal and no matter how much sugar coating or brainwashing is applied.
Leaving the EU doesn't close the door many including myself like to visit. But it is a visit and when I see my neighbours do something interesting and different I'm happy to adopt their recipes but only if the locals here have the taste.
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10 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
Things do change,sometimes for better sometimes for worse, and it was already not perfect but it was never unworkable, which was my point.
If it (EN regs) was never unworkable, why did the UK have to add a PD 6662 to it? Oh that's right it wouldn't work in the UK so we had to change it.
look over the water to the same EN in name our neighbours are using, its a much smaller and simpler document. Which BTW makes a joke out of the word standard.
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2 hours ago, PeterJames said:
Not sure it will work the way you think it will, there are humans involved
Of course
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3 hours ago, PeterJames said:
So do you think that 4737 was better or worse ?
As with most things there's good and bad. So my answers would be both. We now have an opportunity to take the best of both.
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7 hours ago, PeterJames said:
What importance does my nationality bear on this conversation.? I am trying to understand what you think is wrong with the standards
That's an easier q without the kraut attitude. It's to complicated! Why do the UK need to have their own interpretation? My responce is because the enforced standard (used lightly) doesn't work. Take option x for example, doesn't exist outside the UK. Then grading 1-4 and 4 isn't doable? ATS is so complicated we changed it to grades without consent but to make it useable. Then we have plug tops and no tampers and and and. It would be foolish to believe that the EN route is simple, to me it's about overcomplicated bureaucratic rules forced upon a country that has a perfectly historic working system of engineering solutions to real world problems and documenting them in simple to understand system called British Standards, an institution that has led the engineering world since early 1900s. Everyone is cheating the new EN because they are trying to give an engineered solution with their hands tied. Look at the CE mark. This is forcing commercial decisions where manufacturers and installers are buying outside the UK and certificating (assembled in the UK). Clearly this topic is to large for this forum and my only hope is that the whole agenda of EN standards in all industries be addressed once we are away from the dictatorship of Europe. Did you know Scotland has its own regs for many things. I mention this because thete are differences at local level that have to be honoured to make things work.
Yours sincerely
Not just another brick in the wall.
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2 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
So you are saying that because the people who currently decide the rules, do not understand your industry. But you cannot give an example of what exactly they are doing wrong?
There are a few examples above of what I and it appears others feel are not being done correctly. Your quite keen for an EXACT or PRECISE statement are you a Kraut?
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2 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
Whats your point? I already said there had to be rules, I asked if you think it would be happier if the rules came from someone you voted for?
I would be happier if the rules were made by my piers who understood MY industry in my locality. Not so sure I need to vote for them!
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1 minute ago, Amps said:
balanced and sensible statement. Also dosent preclude change to suit the UK in the future
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8 hours ago, PeterJames said:
There has to be rules otherwise you have anarchy and everyone just installs what they feel like and how they feel like doing it.
Sound familiar?
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Peter James asked for "exactly wrong" which isn't a simple question. were dancing around here but already a few simple examples show the **** forced upon the UK by non sovereign power. FORCING the UK to change the way we want to do things.
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Just now, mark auto QA said:
PD6662 states the same 12hours for grade 1 and 2, but reduces grade 3 and 4 to 24hrs (from 60 in 50131), like i said i was always told the EN requirements were to cover countries with unreliable power grids, ours doesnt need so long
Just to clarify, 12 hours IF monitored for mains failure Otherwise 24hour.
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4737 was 8hrs which is more than ample for the UK. 24 hours would be a catastrophic or rare failure for the UK grid. Why would we have any standards that asked us to cope with problems other countries experience?
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11 hours ago, PeterJames said:
So lets look at the door contact problem,
Your actually going to try and defend a failing system using this example as an opening argument?
In fact I would prefer if you didn't respond, Sounds like you voted stay and are going to warn of the errors of that decision.
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13 hours ago, PeterJames said:
What is wrong exactly with the standards we have?
Code using 4,5,or 6 digits or pace or or. And let's be honest here how many just give customers what they want and not what they print on a cert.
magnetic contacts that come in so many different verities that it would be easier to instal the door to suit a contact than use a simple reed switch. I'm getting bored just thinking about the wrongs of an EN. Let's go back to my earlier comment to sum things up. "Let's go back start again with a simpler solution".
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I have used the 64 from the enforcer data and hard wire the front door, entry PIR and the speaker to the keypad.