Nova-Security

You have appliances made by a company who builds cranes ? http://home.liebherr.com/en/gbr/household-appliances/appliances-for-households.html

We was using confirmation a long time ago before EN on abacus panels, even the old gardtec 800 had alarm B on it. What really annoyed me was our main panel at the time was the abacus which used pin 5 on the plug on, then for EN somebody decided it should be pin 7. The plug on pins where a industry standard format by Scantronic and other panel manufactures adopted the same foot print which in them days the pins were not programmable so a move from 5 to 7 was a PITA.

Both points valid, but the standards state a system has to be installed to a grade and they insurance companies know little about the grades of systems and i as the designer have to carry out a risk assessment which i have no formal quals for and the insurance company accepts the spec. Shouldn't the insurance companies be doing the risk assessments and passing what they require to us? Should have put, as per Pete's post.

Everybody says its down to the insurance company's, they don't have that much input on the standards they copy and paste from BSIA guidelines, and they nearly always spec grade 4 signalling as its the only thing they know. All the insurance company's i have dealt recently, quote Redcare or dualcom, when asked which redcare or dualcom as there are different versions they just come back with silence.

Its down to the company. omit signal must be sent to ARC if the system rearms and force omits a circuit, but its open to interpretation, but send omit if any circuit is omitted by user.

Join the BSIA ? isnt there a membership to pay Voting is free

Same for some other devices on the market then, not controls.

http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000000101091 1973 we joined the EU 2005 we adopted the standards, 32 years i will be retired by then to see the next change. Although i bet the BSIA and BSI rewrite some that we have to hold in the mean time.

And bike rack...

Funny that as they are one vehicle that holds money longer than most.

Never been fully working to EU standards, so now the UK is out why aren't the EU standards going to be dropped. Whats was ever wrong with tin foil strips across a window?

I think the security industry needs to vote Load of **** I think you should have a choice and no have it pushed on you by the BSIA

I meant the equipment to capture the signal and turn the alarm off. My mistake

Cant see it happening for a couple of reason's 1) Most yale alarms are on houses that couldn't afford a proper Grade2X system, that why they have purchased a DIY kit. 2) If you have the equipment needed and the know how, then your probably all ready employed in the IT / electronics field on £30K + so why would you want to target the people in 1. Also if the Yale alarms are installed DIY and not covered by a maintenance contract by a Co for the NSI or SSAIB firm, the insurance Co treats the premises as if it hasn't got an alarm (no discounts)

http://www.siaonline.org/Pages/Standards/Standards_Splash.aspx

Might be in EN50136

Its doesn't meet PD6662, but it does EN50131 So i cant use them, who pushed for PD6662 ?

Why cant i use Satel panels? they can make them conform to BS8243 and they conform to various EN but they cant be used for install in the UK, just checked and they are Graded. http://www.satel.pl/download/info/MD-DANE.TECH.EN-EX.pdf

We dont work to EN50131, we work to PD662 which calls up EN50131 and other British standards, the security industry has never been fully EU. They adopted the standards they wanted then introduce PD6662 to cover what the UK manufactures wanted. There are some great panels and equipment in Europe, but we cant use them in the UK. Most of the UK panel makers sit on the boards discussing the standards and then write things in to PD6662 to protect their market place. If we stay in the EU the we should be able to buy panels that are EU approved, always wanted to use Satel which I can't so i am pushed towards a UK panel.

Doesn't matter licence is clean you have to declare the course when you renewal is due, its one of the questions. Got you all ways....

great way of getting a self updating db of professionals to do a email marketing thingy.

Whats the cable being used for ? looks like a early Fermax riser cable

Galaxy flex

http://www.fscables.com/ used them in the past for strange cables.

Not been to ifsec for 5 yrs going to the regional ones, Manchester city center and wigan this year.