joethefixer Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hi to all, I tried resetting the power but it didnt do anything, all data are still intact and all loops are complete, but the "Ground Break" fault is still not resetted. Ground break and Split are of different fault. A fire alarm engineer came and tried removing the negative "-" wire on a particular outstation and the fault is a split on that outstation not ground break, so "Ground Break" means either "Earth Fault" or "earth split" on the earth conductor on the FP200 cable. As advised, a point to point testing will be done which is a very hard task. I need more advise from you guys. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luggsey Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 If you have old 3400 detectors it's 99% sure to be bad solder joints on the base PCB or a sticky relay in the outstation. If it's a sticky relay in the base try lightly tapping the device rapidly as the system allocates, worked for me once on a Friday afternoon! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is like a box of chocolates, some bugger always gets the nice ones! My Amateur Radio Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1019641 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hi to all, I tried resetting the power but it didnt do anything, all data are still intact and all loops are complete, but the "Ground Break" fault is still not resetted. Ground break and Split are of different fault. A fire alarm engineer came and tried removing the negative "-" wire on a particular outstation and the fault is a split on that outstation not ground break, so "Ground Break" means either "Earth Fault" or "earth split" on the earth conductor on the FP200 cable. As advised, a point to point testing will be done which is a very hard task. I need more advise from you guys.Thanks in advance. Ground Fault = split negative on the loop somewhere!!! Have a look at this extract from the commissioning manual for the 3400, tracking down that fault (split neg) should be relativily easy to find, / track down to 1-2 devices, then it's get you screwdriver out and find it All the best, Dean Dean Wholey NCC Dean.Wholey@Ntlworld.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethefixer Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Hi guys, thanks for the replies, as I have said that finding the fault somewhere is a very hard task since the outstations are located 15 meters above and the gent panel is 50 meters far from the building. and there are hundreds of points to check. this ground break fault was entrusted to me I think from the former Engineer who doesnt want the fault be corrected. this is what happens when there is no maintenance for this system in 3 years. Thank you guys. I really appreciate your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulstyle Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 3400 kit canbe replaced with 32/34000 depending on the software version you are running. The old 3400 stuff is a total headache, because of the bases. See the fault maybe a head, but most lightly a faulty base. Might be worth upgrading to the newer kit. Note, i'm not talking about s-quad, 34000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luggsey Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Ground Fault = split negative on the loop somewhere!!!Have a look at this extract from the commissioning manual for the 3400, tracking down that fault (split neg) should be relativily easy to find, / track down to 1-2 devices, then it's get you screwdriver out and find it All the best, Dean If the loop has been reallocated with a ground break I'm not *sure* if it will have seen two spurs and back allocated from L2 as well, it's been a few years since I did Gent fault finding so it's not clear in my memory. If this system has allocated backwards from L2 fault finding will have to be done a different way as I'm sure you know! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is like a box of chocolates, some bugger always gets the nice ones! My Amateur Radio Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven sneddon Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Luggsey your memory serves you well! op you will have to disconnect L2, allocate the loop whatever device it stops allocating on test that device to find that device if you cannot find it, it may be faulty try testing the one before it. once you find it and sort it and all your cards allocate ok remember to take the write protect off back the it up and put the write protect back on as the VIG doesn't like when you mess about with it and don't do a back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luggsey Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Luggsey your memory serves you well! Well that's a first! I'm still not 100% that a ground break will make it allocate two spurs? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is like a box of chocolates, some bugger always gets the nice ones! My Amateur Radio Forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven sneddon Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Well that's a first!I'm still not 100% that a ground break will make it allocate two spurs? If you allocate with both ends in you could have two radial circuits and unless there is fault that is recognizable by the panel, then you wont know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joethefixer Posted May 28, 2009 Author Share Posted May 28, 2009 If you allocate with both ends in you could have two radial circuits and unless there is fault that is recognizable by the panel, then you wont know about it. Hi Steve, does disconnecting the L2 will have a voltage effect on the loop card? my concern is a slight voltage fluctuation may damage the card. but its probably right that the card will detect and stop allocating on the device with a ground break since the loop will not be complete and will detect a radial circuit. We havent tried this one but its worth a try and may save our jobs. Thanks a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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