[Alarm design advice for 3 bedroom house]

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[Alarm design advice for 3 bedroom house]

31 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Is a katana considered reasonable force now?...

 

To stop this thread from straying of the topic any more ... either option will probably do the job you want.

Engineers fit what they know to be reliable, everyone will recommend a different manufacturer so we cant choose one for you.

Your alarm is an important purchase so cost should be a lower factor in your decision. You will pay more in the long run if it's unreliable.

 

Good ratter?

tx all. will research. 

 

rats. cats. squirrels.  my feet.  wifes ar $e

there is nothing he won't go for lol.

but I love him to bits..for some strange reason.

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thats what i did Al,

 

but the Yale is a Shiece of Pit!

it doesnt have a wired sounder

and it doesnt have the range of accessories 

and its not for me 

 

 

I guess i will just hunt about ....I mean there ARE bundles out there ..but when i add the accessories 

they are doubling up ...scantronic, Pyronix  etc etc

 

 

just frustrating for a DIY fitter is all 

 

Listen if i had spare cash ..ofc i would get a REAL fitter to do it for me ...

..I am not daft .....just a little

 

 

 

....well, skint

 

tx for your help, and no i am NOT a light sleeper, i could sleep through WW3

but the dogs won't...say hello to Trevor

 

 

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2 hours ago, datadiffusion said:

On the average UK house (what is it, 250k now?) I have literally no idea why anyone would think anything under a grand was 'too dear'.

As norm says, it's a fraction of the house value and peanuts compared to all the frivolous (and ironically desirable to burglar) stuff most

people hapilly fritter their hard earned cash on. Most, not all, agreed, for various reasons.

 

well its not the house value..its what you paid for it in the first place, which was a small mortgage 30 years ago

we dont have all that hi tech stuff and we dont have kids and so we dont plan to ...dearest thing is probably the telly

which was £400 2 years ago

 

its more for a safety thing than anything in all honesty ..if they came in here what could they take? ...the TV and the food mixer LOL

i got a few power tools in the shed ...but nothing big name and with £200 at Wickes you could replace them all with new ones 

its just burglars dont KNOW this and we just want to keep them out of the house !!! ..its the mess and upset. I mean if I am in bed and the dog starts barking

I will reach around the back of the wardrobe and bring out my old 40" Katana ...I used to collect them

 

So bearing in mind it will cut right through a frozen lamb leg ...its more to keep ME out of trouble as well as THEM !

 

 

 

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not sure what phones u have Norman ...but I am 52

not into these smart jobbies ...just get a nice cheapy that wont break my heart if i drop it off a ladder !

 

So you think the above is "ok" on price ? or do u think i woul dbe better with a Pyronix ...

not sure exactly how the alerts work on both of them ...doesnt look like the old "diallers" they used to have i am guessing?

 

Also I dont want to be lumbered with a wireless box ...I looked about and someone said they do one that can be "wired" as a workaround

why dont they bloody still STOCK wired boxes ..I mean how hard can it be to have some terminals 

 

Where this box is going i dont want to be arsing about ...I mean tamper wont be necessary as you would need to 

Spidermans climbing coach to get to it !

 

 

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Well i might be 

If you know where to go  

 

I was thinking this kit here

Texecom Ricochet Kit 2 32 Zone Wireless Kit with Sounder

 

adding 

 

2 x Texecom Premier Compact Wireless Pet Detector [PW-W]

3 x Texecom GHA-0001 Micro Contact-W White 868Mhz

1 x Texecom Ricochet DP-W Personal Panic Attack button

 

you are right it does start racking up

I am hoping this kit will have an inbuild dialer or app or something for alerts ...not much info

also confused about the sounder ...its Wireless although some sites suggest it can be wired by 

arsing about with a "22k resistor" or something

 

Its never easy !

 

Would pyronix save me £££?

 

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Well I have deceided to flog on this Yale Kit IA220, thanks to being misadvised several months ago I have ended up with a load of accessories that should work but dont  they are for Easyfit system ...still 866

but not compatible ...

 

 

anyway I am going to flog it all on ebay and get a decent one

 

I initially looked at Pyronix and Texecom

I am pretty sure the Texecom system would work out cheaper ...perhaps.

 

what do you guys think 

 

I need a system that 

** Comes with Wired Bellbox (the only wired kit i need)

** Comes  Wireless Panic Button
**Comes with a dialer or some way of notification

 

then the standard kit i need is 
5 x Wireless PIR
4 x Wireless Contacts

 

Any Suggestions for me welcomed 

 

 

 

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what a a testicle ache

i just looked at my windows and these are almost identical

i dont know what they cant make some form of "wedge" to fix them to ..i really dont

 

something like this could work,as long as the tape was strong enough ...no reason it wouldnt work ?

screwing is an option too 

 

 

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hmmm

 

Perhaps i am being a bit dumb

I drew a little drawing 

 

Basically even if i put a spacer under the mag contact on the window, and get it

to the same "height" as the wireless sender ...the sender is too far away (if you get me)

i mean it is a upvc window but it has fancy plastic 18mm bead around everywhere, and so there is no

SQUARE finish between the fram and window anywhere

 

 

I hope u get what i mean 

 

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Looks Good!

 

But I have ANOTHER enigma, and i have watched videos on youtube etc ..but none seem to show this.
 

Basically if you look at their windows (below)

 

you can see the window is a GOOD 3/4 inch deeper than the actual frame.
 

I mean i know the magnetic contact always goes window/door side. but even when closed it will be still a good 5mm away from even lining up opposing edges
never mind facing !

and i am presuming it needs to be facing each other ....so would this be a "packer" job ? I mean I dont recall ever seeing a magnetic contact

sitting or jutting out on what would be a lego brick block before 

 

or am i not looking LOL

 

 

 

 

 

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omg ..i found this site that seems to do all the names above

but by god is it confusing

 

https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/

 

how d i KNOW if the control unit supports a wired bell?

and whats the deal with no backplate and cover...er ...isn't that all there is !

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Well they do have internet for sure.

Cant have anything on stairs as dogs run up there too.

 

So with Texecom I can get a dialler unit ?

I just though a nice bundle would reduce the cost ...

 

Is there only really TWO affordable/quality self fit alarm alternatives ..Tex or Pyr

seems a narrow market to me 

 

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thanks

but they do like to keep busy and with hospital and stuff
(one is getting treatment for C) then they are out a bit

 

But anyway I have decided to PIR that room as its locked when they go out anyway

 

So i look around t'interweb amnd i suppose i need a "hybrid" an alarm with wireless and cabled features

and i get to here ..Scantronic 40 zone hybrid control panel - Security Warehouse

 

how confusing is this 

 

I need a Box with Keyfobs (preferrably)

A dialler unit to call relatives

3 x Wireless PIR

8 Wireless Contacts

1 x Panic Button

1 x Wired Bellbox

 

none of the kits seem to match this setup ...guess i am looking at separates 

 

 

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and its quite big too

i just took a snap 

[Shock Sensor Location and number for large window]

actually i didn't know what it looked like so i nipped over a took a pic

its quite big ...really 

6 foot across by 4+ feet tall

 

 

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38 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Depending on window contruction, type etc you may need 3 sensors

 

thanks James it is UPVC and has 2 side openings and one int he middle at the top (although not sure anyone could get in there)
I dont really know how these shock sensors work ..I mean the windows are always latched closed and need to be push button to turn

so I am presuming a robber would either break the glass or pry the window ...

 

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Well i guess the next stage is some advice on what to get Please guys:

 

The house I need to cover needs the folloing

 

Conservatory Door (contact or shock ..probably)
Patio Door (contact or shock ..probably)

Kitchen Door (Contact)

Kitchen window has 2 openings ...would a shock sensor be better?)
Util Room is always closed so thinking PIR
Dining Room Window has 3 openings ...What do u suggest?

Front Door (thinking Contact)

downstairs WC (1 opening)

Lounge Window has 3 openings (but as this is closed at night a PIR would be ok?)

 

The dogs have the run of most of the house, when they are in bed or go out , except for lounge/util/wc

they climb on stuff like crazy, they are jack russells ..you cant teach them s**t

 

Upstairs they only want a panic button in bedroom. There is only 1 room they want to secure its like
a 2nd bedroom , and its always closed ...nothing of real value in here, but sentimental photos and old stuff 

they want protecting ..so I am thinking PIR in there too

 

all this with a wired Bell Box

 

So where should i go and what should i be asking for 
I will have to self-fit as the cost will be more than the Yale (obviously)
I am not too thick and so unless its a beast i should be OK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OK OK 

You lot scared me ...I am going to get this Yale and Bits on Ebay and see if i can AFFORD a better system for them 

and get my money back (well some of it)

 

 i don t want to be over theirs every weekend arsing with some error or other 

 

Now i go back on the Google search for an alarm with a dialler, shock contacts, wired bellbox and a few door contacts and a panic button

for as close to £250 as i can 

 

i know i know

 

 

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i mean these cells are listed as 1.5V drawing 16500 Mah
so looking online it SEEMS a nice high number

 

not sure how old they are ...but when you take the cover off... it blows the wax out of your ears....so they are not flat!.
i nearly fell over the dog 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

I would only use lithiums but i suppose yale want alkaline due to its target market.

 

I mean i COULD fit Lithiums ....but arent they CRAZY Money for 4 D Cells ?

I have no experience but just HOW longer lasting are they ?

 

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Also ..I have noticed the Yale does not list a "shock sensor" as an accessory ...which is crazy.

they are missing a trick i think 

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7 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

We get your point and it highlights other issues with cheaper diy equipment, ie blink, ring cctv etc.

No-one here will be converted to use yale, we have all seen it and would rather use anything else ie their is recognised pro stuff that is similar money.

 

We had a recent convo on here about cctv and it seems the belief with conumers is that 'high quality' cctv is available installed for about £500 this is simply not true.

However as long as the person buying/installing/using the yale system understands its insecurities etc they may not be a concern. To me they would be as you are telling the world from outside what system you have and google how to get around it.

 

But back on topic

In theory soldering onto the battery connections with a regulated psu 'should' function, but wont work in the event of an ac fail, may cause battery monitoring issues and is not recommended.

 

also i have had a thought that in the event of an AC cut the alarm box wifi would need to be re-paired or learned or whatever so ....its back to the d Cells. It come with Varta Power One  x 4 ...is there anything LONGER LASTING I can fit.
excluding the exorbitant Lithiums OFC

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That's not the same alarm i have its the IA series

(although not sure what the difference is)

 

But i think what we have to realise here is

1. not EVERYONE has several hundreds of pound to fit an alarm
2. Not everyone needs a host of features and configurations you find on expensive models

3. ANY alarm is better than NO ALARM (even if its only marginally)

 

Not sure how many alarms Yale sell but I am guessing its thousands a year probably several thousand. So if they were 
all ****, they would stop production through loss ...So I am presuming they are at least OK ..anything can have a fault

 

For Example

 

I have a nice car (i think so) its a 17 Plate Range Rover 
Next Door has a 13 Plate Kia

 

I am SURE it doesn't have half the features mine has ...but it has ALL he needs ..and his services wont cost £500 either !
or he wont be paying £489 a month in repayments !

Do I swagger about when we are in the drive together...No

What I am saying here is CHEAP isn't always ****

and value for money is SUBJECTIVE

dependant on needs and funds

 

 

 

anyway ..i will let u know how i get on with my adaption of the sounder ...who knows i may convert
you all to Yale-ys

 

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4 minutes ago, Logan said:

Can you take a picture of the old  panel and the external sounder  so i can help

well panel is in the bin last year, they have never seen it working and the sun had worn all the writing off ..the only reason i know its a gardiner

as it was wrote inside. it had a small pcb in there and a leaky large battery ...sort of oval thing. But someone had cut the wire years ago and just taped it up inside with 
sellotape ...nice

 

the box MIGHT be a gardiner too ....but then again its been repainted several times by the look of it ...it may have once been white, but its been repainted red at leasty twice

and it has no stickers on it ...or they have been painted over .....inside is a pair of BELLS ...not a siren ...it looks like 2 alarm clock bells with a transformer between them

I am presuming its worthless buddy ...unless I am wrong 

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

Also to be honest my neighbour had the same system and they weren't able to turn it off i had to smash the bellbox off the wall (didn't require much force at all) to shut it up

 

another good reason for powering via a wire then !

just switch off the supply 

 

i dot fancy knocking this off to be honest.
think about a dorma window ..think about an alarm box right above it 
cannot be reached by ladder from any side without WALKING on old tiles !
or putting a platform on each side and then planks acrosss