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The Control4 system piggy backs PIRs to trigger auto lighting so I expect those to run down. But it’s been window vibration things that have been going flat mainly. Duracell they use.
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On 26/07/2019 at 16:53, datadiffusion said:
Id have to say given the opportunity I'd still to this day choose wired everytime, until the day batteries last 10 years+
Some of the batteries are lasting less than a year. They want a £60 visit fee every time one needs changing. I have insisted that they are all changed on annual service. One of the engineers told me that the system could be enabled for me to change a battery but the installers said this option wasn’t available.
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45 minutes ago, aissecur said:
I agree
Strange that they operate when the house is unoccupied (I assume the dish washer has not been left on a cycle or anything)
Does the kitchen suffer from excessive temperatures (Ie roof poorly insulated?)
It’s a large Orangery with a lot of glass and three skylights - and the back taken off the house in between so it does heat up. It’s 32 degrees C in there right now. Warmer than Greece, which is where I am this week...
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The kitchen one is sort of in the middle of the dishwasher - steam oven / oven - hob / teppanyaki triangle. The utility one is in a room with the dishwasher and dryer, just outside the door to the garage.
Thing is though that they go off when the house is empty.
1 minute ago, al-yeti said:7years working
5 years ago recommended
Not very good for an orangery more like
Few posts later than this the blag has started
Question are you going to change the smokes yourself , or instruct your alarm installer to do it ?
Get the installers too but tell them what to do. And probably look for a new installer / service co.
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Installers have just confirmed that they are wireless ones that are installed. My memory of a blue thing must be wrong - away on business atm
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Thanks all, very helpful indeed. First step seems to be to replace the utility and kitchen sensors for new ones to see if we simply have an ageing sensor issue.
We want to stick with Texecom for now so the the system remains integrated with the Control4 and the monitoring.
Not trusting the installers particularly I want to tell them exactly what to do, so which of the Texecom sensors should we use please?
https://www.texe.com/uk/products/range/fire-detectors/
Thanks
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5 hours ago, datadiffusion said:
Exodus then
Yes Blue is combined Optical (Smoke) and Heat
Ultimately, one for your installer to sort out, really, be interesting to see what they suggest.
I have, in the past, been given silly directions by builders misinterpreting building control regs, e.g. was asked to fit smokes in every bedroom in a domestic house with loft extension 'because the regulations say'.
I wonder if the same has happened with your installer here?
Personally the kitchen would always be a heat detector, as recommended.
Is it always just the one detector false alarming then?
It was the utility one false alarming. Spy Alarms want to replace that one. Since then the kitchen one has started to do false alarms.
Its all linked to a Control4 system that piggybacks the PIR’s for lighting triggers and remote control.
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1 minute ago, datadiffusion said:
Heat or Smoke?
Are the coloured rings blue, green, or orange on the Texecom detectors? I'm assuming they are Texecom (Exodus) units?
Blue I think. Not at home at the
mo. Texecom yes. Not sure what model.
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2 minutes ago, james.wilson said:
Out of interest how is a Premier on brigade response?
Monitoring company call them out. They call us first but both our jobs mean we aren’t by a phone all the time so they call the fire brigade I guess.
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7 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:
All in one open plan space? As any type of smoke sensor is usually unsuitable for a kitchen anyway.
All open plan, utility and pantry have doors. Fire Sensors in kitchen, utility, hall and landing on recommendation of installers.
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3 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:
The control panel is able to diferentiate between two different signals
FIRE
NO FIRE
thats it, there is no fuzzy logic, no special programming, the smoke/heat sensors are merely a glorified switch.
A 7 year old head, even if it has been stored very well during buildings works, is still a head that is 3 years away from needing replacement.
I've had these heads suddenly start to FA at around this age and nothing short of replacing them would make them stop.
I do hope your monitoring station are currently phoning you on recieving a fire before dispatch?
No, there are no option switches.
Does the orangery need protection??
Orangery has the kitchen in it, utility room and pantry off it. Dishwasher, washing machine, tumble dryer, 5 fridges/freezers etc. I think it’s the most likely seat of a fire.
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8 minutes ago, al-yeti said:
Fire brigade will more like downgrade your attendance ?
I would ask your installer to quote something better , reality is "weather" your willing to pay for it or not
Would pay yes. Wife and kids in the house and rather paranoid. What do you suggest?
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1 hour ago, datadiffusion said:
And don't forget Texe smokes are combined smoke AND heat by default (I am certain...?)
My loft was 42 degrees yesterday, and that was with extra vents I fitted last year, and in the evening...
*** me round here that would on balance of propabilities have been a retained callout and I imagine the guys and gals slightly less freindly...
Recently someone in a country hotel thoght it would be a good idea to use the fire alarm to summon reception when they drunkenly lost keys and returned at 3am.
My retained mate said one of the guys had to be held back and was lucky not more was made of it....
This is what has confused me. The premier elite are meant to be smart and so just heat or just smoke shouldn’t trigger them as I understand it. But it doesn’t seem to work that way.
We reused the smoke alarms from pre-building works but don’t think that they have been updated by Texecom in the meanwhile.
2 hours ago, PeterJames said:Never a good idea to fit smokes in a orangey, especially second hand ones, I would use a smoke beam.
What does your installer suggest?
Installer told us that the Texecom system isn’t very good....5+ or so years after they recommended and installed it.
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We have a Texecom Premier Elite system linked to a Control4 system and to the monitoring company.
We are getting repeat false alarms from the smoke / fire alarms. This is a new thing after 7 years of happily working. The change is that these sensors are now installed in a newly built orangery, which has a fair bit of glass and does heat up a lot. We wonder if this is the issue.
Has anyone experienced this or have any solutions please? The fire brigade are being very patient with us but we are wasting their time (we will send them a couple of apology crates of beer when all is done).
Thanks
Texecom Wireless Smoke Detector Problem
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It’s also pretty crappy tbh as it doesn’t always pick up movement and trigger lights.
They installers plan to replace the two smokes that are going off with “Premier Elite Optical & Heat Fire Detector
Ricochet Mesh Technology 868Mhz
85dB(A) built in sounder”. Might just go with this and see if this is better given the ageing sensor input.