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6 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
The industry is changing, but I would say its actually going in a direction that it once was. Years ago it used to be only the bigger houses with plenty of contents worth stealing, soon followed by smaller and smaller properties. Now many of the smaller domestics are diying or using one of those app systems that dont really work(Sooner or later though someone will invent a reliable one that will work). I do not see this as a problem we dont get many small domestics anyway, we prefer the bigger jobs that are reliant on an approved security system for insurance purposes.
That's what I was hoping to get into really. More the commercial side of things than residential properties. I live on the border of London, there must be stacks of commercial work in the city.
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2 minutes ago, Amps said:
We've just lost an engineer to a Sky who is following the 40k carrot. No idea how many hours it takes to hit 40k though.
I've earnt 45k the last few years. 15k of that on overtime which has now grounded to a halt. And that's having 1 day off a fortnight. Like I've said, there's no future there. Sky engineers will not exist in 10 years.
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There's no future working for sky. No one will have a dish in ten years or even a set top box. We'll all have an app in our smart TVs. Sky Q is being launched without a dish next year. Need I say anymore.
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1 minute ago, goncall said:
Nero,I'd stick with sky you won't make 40-50k in this game some do but as many say the industry is on its way down not up
How come? How can the industry be on the way down? Surely there's always gonna be a need for security systems? More so today than ever in the world we live in..
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19 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
Again this is dependant on area company skill set ote ect, but there is a discussion in the trade are of this forum with reports of £50k+ I reckon our best engineer would be max £45k inc OTE and I recon thats a high estimate. Average would be in the region of £30k ish plus ote. Call-out for some companies is an earner for engineers, but we dont get that many calls out of hours nowadays.
And does an engineer cover alarms/cctv/access control or do they mainly concentrate on one or the other?
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2 hours ago, PeterJames said:
It really depends on what the pay is in Essex for a good engineer. Expect anything between 16k and 21k as a trainee wage, you can pick it up quite quickly I have a mature engineer (28yrs old) started on £20k been with me a year/18 months and he is on £26k plus OTE (about £30k overall). His money started going up quite quickly once he started installing on his own.
It really depends on how fast you can pick it up, couple of years I would expect to see a reasonable engineer. Some I know have been doing it from years and are still useless.
What can a fully trained top end engineer look to earn in the industry? And do you cover alarms/cctv/ access control or would an engineer generally specialise in one area?
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Can anyone recommend any good companies Essex/London way?
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56 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
It really depends on what the pay is in Essex for a good engineer. Expect anything between 16k and 21k as a trainee wage, you can pick it up quite quickly I have a mature engineer (28yrs old) started on £20k been with me a year/18 months and he is on £26k plus OTE (about £30k overall). His money started going up quite quickly once he started installing on his own.
It really depends on how fast you can pick it up, couple of years I would expect to see a reasonable engineer. Some I know have been doing it from years and are still useless.
That's great. Thanks again, Peter.
53 minutes ago, Amps said:I know this is mainly a young mans game but jeez 28 mature engineer?
It's refreshing to read that the OP is 37 and still prepared to have a go at something new. Best of luck to you mate.
Thanks buddy!
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Can anyone give me their opinion on what sort of average wage I would be looking at as a trainee? Also, how many years would it take to train up to a good level?
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4 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:
Disagree that Gal is the best place to start for an absolute beginner but at the same time if you only have enough money to buy one avoid Accenta etc... too simple and you won't learn enough (and the lack of LCD display means you'll not always know / understand your mistakes).
Also if you're ex Sky, I imagine you have had your fair share of 'difficult' customers (of course, it depends how you dealt with them!) which could sit well with any co.
Lol.. yes, I have certainly had my fair share of difficult customers. I definitely have a lot of transferable skills to the industry which should go a long way. Seems like the logical career progression to me.
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9 minutes ago, PeterJames said:
Send your CV out to local companies, if your happy to take a pay cut while training this is the best way to get into this industry.
There are many things to learn in this industry that you will not learn from a text book or classroom. Panel wiring for instance originally it was two circuit per device then there was EOL and every manufacturers use their own combination of EOL then there is ID biscuit, and other manufacturers have their own ID type systems. There are hundreds of different panels out there and to be a worthy engineer you need to know what your doing with all of them, its no good turning up at Mr& Mrs Smiths and saying sorry this panel wasnt covered in the Tavcom course we need to change the panel. Most co's will take on mature trainees with a clean drivers license, you are more likely to turn up everyday and more willing to graft in most cases.
Thank you so much for your response, Peter.
This was my original thought but wasn't sure if I would have much luck because of my age. And yes, I would turn up every day and graft unlike some young trainees.lol.
I will start sending out my CV to some local companies and see where it gets me.
Thanks for your advice.
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Thanks everyone for replying!
Great advice, I was planning to get books and parts e.t.c and self teach some of the basics. Although, I was more interested in the cctv side of things to be honest. although I assumed in that field you worked on cctv/alarms and access control. Or do you only generally only work on one specific area within that field?
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3 minutes ago, al-yeti said:
It's part of the investment if your serious and if you choose to switch to a company, the course may help you especially if it was out of your own pocket
Although i would definitely do a basic electronics course along the way , it will give a little more understanding rather than having to gain it all through practice if that make sense , very good for fault finding
Thanks for replying to me!
So in your opinion, if I completed these courses off my own back. I would be able to find employment with a company? I only ask because a lot of the jobs advertised require 'experience '. They really mention anything about qualifications...
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Hi people,
im looking for some advice and I'm hoping somebody can help. I'm looking for a career change into security systems installing and I'm not sure where to start?
im 37 and have been working as a field engineer for Sky.uk for nearly 10 years. I'm looking to move on but I am not sure the best way to go about it. I have been looking at some courses on Tavcom. Problem is, I'm not sure if these courses worth doing without hands on experience? Obviously they are quite expensive and I'm just concerned after committing they wouldn't be worth much without experience in the field. Or should I be looking for trainee positions? Only problem with that is my age. Normally these positions are aimed at youngsters.
If anyone in the industry can offer me some advice it would be greatly appreciated.
Career change to security systems engineer
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Yep. Hence why I started this thread. I was under the assumption the SSI had a sustainable future. Average earnings doesn't concern me so much. I know there's enough there for the right people, as with every game. Just want a career in an evolving industry with opportunities and avenues to explore. Am I barking up the wrong tree?!