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8 minutes ago, norman said:

 

Just to let you all know that I have sent an email to your site sponsors to ask them for their opinion on the way you the moderators conduct themselves on this site. I will let you know what they say when they get back to me. 

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1 minute ago, al-yeti said:

Can they be retrieved from your website when you have logged in?

 

If your good enough of course

No. 

2 minutes ago, petrolhead said:

That info is available to anyone. Surely an alarm expert with more degrees than a circle and an it consulting business would know that?

milk and 2 in mine.

 

2 minutes ago, petrolhead said:

That info is available to anyone. Surely an alarm expert with more degrees than a circle and an it consulting business would know that?

milk and 2 in mine.

The port information is not available to anyone. 

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4 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

I have no access to any log files on TSI

Like I said, you don't get port  numbers from the net.

1 minute ago, al-yeti said:

Wow how come those quals ain't working ,

 

Now what lab won't you throw bricks around in? Thought it was a cafe

I don't live in the cafe.... and you lost me again with this "Wow how come those quals ain't working,"

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2 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

Ray,  didn't you share my data that you took from your own website on TSI for the whole world to see, not sure I saw any privacy policy or legal compliance stated on your website, please feel free to advise what went wrong on your data protection mishap... 

 

You have lots of info all over the net, name, addresses, telephone number CV ect... most of it on your website !

 

I have the cafe's name, address co. no, director, links to another co. duff reviews for the cafe on google & trip advisor

 

It all out their in the public domain, I've neither posted it or linked to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, here's the thing. You quoted in one comment the port numbers from which I am posting comments. You don't get those off the net. You get those from log files.

In your first posted comment on this thread you went out of your way to use your system access privileges to look up my personal details and then proceed to make me aware that you had done so
by means of pseudo cryptic commentary. I have no idea why you felt the need to do that and do it in response to a comment that I made to another member. Not you.. Still, I'm a hairy bloke so no problem.

But if I were a female somebody might think that a little worrying. But whether you think it a problem or not is irrelevant. You are abusing your access privileges and for that I think you should have

them removed. What do you think?

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4 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Amazing, that you didn't get why I said what I said 

 

When will you post test results , do you have break glass detector yet?

 

And what's difference between break glass and shocks ?

 

Still don't get why you don't just spend a bit more but just the way it is 

 

 

What lab 

"Amazing, that you didn't get why I said what I said" huh?

 

Not yet. Just heard about them from a member.

 

Break glass and shocks? Not sure what you mean.

 

I am spending a bit more.On sensors. :-)

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:

 

John Carstairs (@jonno1966) is our compliance and complaints officer

Thanks DD. Does John have an email address that I can send a private message to? Where can I find it?

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21 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

Looking at trip advisor,

 

Is the broken windows a comment on the customer service ?

I am just reading this: http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/privacy/

 

.. and wondering whether you can be trusted with members' private data. Who do I speak to about that?

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13 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

 

Bench testing will hardly be beneficial for testing brick throwing but it's sensible wiring things up on a bench first before jumping into a project.

If it is going to work at all I would expect it to work with a ball,or something else, as well as a brick. It only has to be a moving object. i'm not going to be lobbing bricks around my lab.

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3 hours ago, GalaxyGuy said:

The dual technology sensor is not designed to be more sensitive, but less so. It's designed to reduce false alarms by requiring both PIR and Microwave technologies to trigger together in order to activate the zone.

 

You need to look at break glass or vibration sensors to detect the brick. The Honeywell Flexguard glass detectors and Viper vibration sensors are decent devices.

 

Most alarm detection devices are 12v DC with clean contacts, so are interchangable. Only the wireless devices are vendor specific due to the varying protocols and frequencies being used.

I intend to connect these sensors to a 12v DC adapter and test their response on the bench and see what the difference is. It will be an interesting exercise. 

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3 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

All sorted , good to know you found a solution

Yes. This has been very helpful. Cleared up my initial question vis a vis the wiring. But I do need to take a look at the "breaking glass" option as well. I will be testing before implementing the final choice of sensor. Either on a bench or perhaps replace one sensor and test in situ.

 

 

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1 minute ago, al-yeti said:

So you getting the stuff? As nothing else will work 

What stuff?

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Just now, sixwheeledbeast said:

Did I follow this correctly? A grand for that shoddy work?

 

Movement detectors are designed to detect people walking across them, yes they can pick up other things due to how they work but that's what they are designed to do.

You shouldn't be expecting a PIR or DT to detect this type of incident

There is more to alarms than sticking coloured wires in holes, understanding how detection works and what type you need for the environment is all part of the job.

 

If you want to detect the window being put in, I suggest using a method capable of this. 

Also to your last point an auto dialler maybe fast but it's certainly not a secure method.

 

Cheers. I don't think any approach is entirely secure. Not even a night watchman. But this isn't The Bank Of England we are talking about. There is a trade off between cost and risk.  

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2 minutes ago, petrolhead said:

You seem to have a smart answer for everything. Good luck with your cafe.

The cafe has been running for two and a half years and is doing very well indeed. Apart from a few niggles like this one.

2 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

 

 

Is L22 rough ?

My postcode is on my website.

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7 minutes ago, petrolhead said:

Monitored cctv signalling on movement on the internal cams would have done what you want though, the monitoring station would call you to alert you to the incident. If you had external detection and a pa speaker they might have warned them off.

The actual hurling of the brick through the window took 4.7 seconds from the instant the hurler emerged from the darkness to the instant he disappeared back into it. Even with the best remote monitoring service in the world the brick would still end up through the window. The outcome would be the same. So a monitoring service is no obstacle to a flying brick. The question is one of awareness so that someone can attend. There is nothing faster than an auto dial that can send you a text as soon as the alarm triggers.  But if the  alarm doesn't trigger that's a bit of a spanner in the works. That's the problem I am addressing.

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5 minutes ago, GalaxyGuy said:

 

Yes, the pyroelectric sensor detects infra red radiation.  It also detects the pattern of the surrounding ambient environment.  If a flying object manages to disrupt that environment across the planes/zones, then the device will trigger.  The closer the object is to the element, then the bigger the disruption to the planes/zones. So, a flying object that doesn't perfectly match the background temp of each plane/zone can trigger the PIR. The object doesn't need to be hot, just not a match for each individual plane/zone.  As above, still not a reliable detection method.

 

You've gone for a dual tec, but probably wanted a microwave only or multi-beam active IR detector, as dual-tec devices will not trigger on microwave detection alone.

 

 

Thanks GalaxyGuy. Now that's an answer. I appreciate it.

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5 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

What colour horse did your alarm installer ride?

 

For less than a grand I could have done you a proper alarm with sensors on their own zones & tamper circuits...

That's nice of you but you're too far away.

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5 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Ok so then pay for monitored CCTV 

I have CCTV. All around the perimeter. The police have the footage. You know what they can do? Nothing. Because it's kids and kids are untouchable.

6 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

google Ray & he his own web page with name, address, life history, mobile no. ect...

 

Isn't it a data protection issue to be posting IP no's ? 

No. Checkout WhatIsMyIpAddress.com and others.

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6 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

9.1 miles out & pooled IP address

 

your ip (static I assume) is running services on ports 22 & 4567 isn't it amazing what  you reveal about your self by simple click of the mouse...

Anyone can pull an ip address of a log file. If you have access to the log file that is.

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7 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

stalker war? how did he get ur ip?

Ahaaa!! Now that's my area of expertise. 

1 minute ago, petrolhead said:

That question was directed at imran not yourself. You don't need efficacy insurance to diy. I made the mistaken assumption you were doing this job for a third party, and was warning of the potential pitfalls. Dualtechs wont do what you want, vipers or audible break glass detectors are probably the closest to your needs, or go oldschool and foil the windows.

Ok. 

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5 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Ok how about beams in addition to something else 

 

Is your wallet as big as your filing cabinet with certs you hold 

 

Seriously beams and something else 

 

Brick proof glass would do it but expensive 

If I did then?

 

But that's the point , if your installing graded and maintaining it , you can get in trouble

Too much wildlife for beams.

All wallets have their limitations.

I looked at bulletproof glass and you are right. £20,000. There's a lot of glass.

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1 minute ago, petrolhead said:

So you don't bother with efficacy insurance then?

The premises are insured and everything in it. The original job cost me a grand. But it's still nice to know when there's a hole in the window. Asap. Rather than when you turn up in the morning. Know what I mean?

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7 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

deffo 138ml from your post code 

 

I assumed you meant "southfield" in Liverpool,  if your going off the ISP "south field" locally is 9.1ml away

 

Being a simple connector of wires.... what you using dropbear for ?

50 Southfield Rd, xxxxx xxxxx. Right? IP address 5.xxx.xxx.xxx

It's amazing what you can reveal about yourself by a single click of a mouse button.

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1 minute ago, MrHappy said:

 

I'm 138miles away  

 

1 minute ago, MrHappy said:

 

I'm 138miles away  

135 according to Google Maps. 

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27 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

In addition to being an alarm monkey I was once a shutter monkey....

 

I could have been a c# monkey, but I had more self respect ...

You can see why I don't find this stuff challenging can't you? How are things in Southfield Road? Or are you in St Mary's?

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13 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Ok but if you don't want perimeter protection by the way of shocks etc how will be youbdetect a brick before it breaks your windows 

 

Shutter would be good , with the necessary detectors on it 

 

Easy init 

See previous response vis a vis shutters. Council no allow shutters. They think shutters lower the tone of the area. They're not the ones who have to clean up the mess of course.