sixwheeledbeast Posted March 20, 2022 Share Posted March 20, 2022 An unserviced alarm is neither use nor ornament, it's a service based industry. Having it maintained is part of the deal to making sure everything works when you need it and will not disturb everyone in the early hours. They are not consumer products you can't just pop batteries in and out of them and either would you want them to be. Consumer products are generally junk and easily defeatable. Programming knowledge is all part of the system design, which is all part of knowing what is required for correct operation. You can't learn to be an alarm installer from reading the manual it's a guide. It's general practice and part of the standards that the installer wouldn't disclose the engineering code, this is to protect any liability from a user messing with the system. As far as end users and installers are concerned if it's locked you have no access to reprogram it, if you default it you have cleared the programming with no way to reprogram it. It's even more useless depending on how usable it is now. Have you done what I suggested yet? Enable Engineer is for the user to allow the engineer access for a limited amount of time, normally the engineer code will not allow access without the user code first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keymx Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 On 19/03/2022 at 22:52, al-yeti said: However many a software engineer do funny things to alarms lol Yes, funny things like connecting it to a computer, quickly writing a communication program and cracking the UDL and engineer's code. I just managed to do all of those things so there's that. Point of this excercise was that I've already paid for the system, wanted to use it as is without buying a new board, and also learn how it works. Now with Wintex access and engineer's code I have full control which I'm happy about - it finally feels like I'm the real owner of the device and hope to learn system configuration further. On 20/03/2022 at 08:41, sixwheeledbeast said: An unserviced alarm is neither use nor ornament, it's a service based industry I am OK with maintaining the system periodically myself. Maybe for average user paying for that service is fine but not for me - as said before, among other reasons I prefer to keep an eye on sensitive things at my place personally (same thing goes with installing physical locks, cameras, etc.). On 20/03/2022 at 08:41, sixwheeledbeast said: You can't learn to be an alarm installer from reading the manual it's a guide. That's why I'm here and happy to learn about those things. About a week ago I had no idea how this works at all, mainly because that knowledge was never needed for me, but now I feel I learned a ton within a week (which was real fun tbh). I understand why most of the replies tried to persuade me to call a professional and I generally agree with this sentiment when it comes to average user. Anyhow, I'm still left with the siren box problem: On 20/03/2022 at 08:41, sixwheeledbeast said: Have you done what I suggested yet? I haven't taken down the siren box yet. The problem is its location which is very high, right below the gutter. When replacing the batteries I was barely able to reach it and open/close the compartment with them. I hope I could reconnect it with the main unit without taking it down? What would be the correct procedure to do so? FWIW, I can now provide more details from Wintex to maybe give more clues about the problem with it. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, keymx said: I haven't taken down the siren box yet. The problem is its location which is very high, right below the gutter. When replacing the batteries I was barely able to reach it and open/close the compartment with them. I hope I could reconnect it with the main unit without taking it down? All the radio devices are bit "meh" Move it to where you can safely get to it Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 As I have already said take it down and get it working adjacent the controls. it needs to be sited where you can access it anyway. The thing is most of the trade members here have seen all this before, new members posting for months and not getting any further. We have no idea on someone's skill set, there is no persuading it's the best option depending on how much you value your security. You can't learn to be an installer here either, people can only give you some guidance based on assumptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 15 hours ago, keymx said: Yes, funny things like connecting it to a computer, quickly writing a communication program and cracking the UDL and engineer's code. I just managed to do all of those things so there's that. e full control which I'm happy about - it finally feels like I'm the real owner of the device and hope to learn system configuration further. Are you saying , you don't feel like you own a device unless you have access to factory settings , so you have this with your tv , washing machine , car , and so on ??? Thought so , I am confused why your here , I mean you cracked everything now, done deal , sorted , security done , You finished it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 16 hours ago, keymx said: Yes, funny things like connecting it to a computer, quickly writing a communication program and cracking the UDL and engineer's code. I just managed to do all of those things so there's that. Point of this excercise was that I've already paid for the system, wanted to use it as is without buying a new board, and also learn how it works. Now with Wintex access and engineer's code I have full control which I'm happy about - it finally feels like I'm the real owner of the device and hope to learn system configuration further. I am OK with maintaining the system periodically myself. Maybe for average user paying for that service is fine but not for me - as said before, among other reasons I prefer to keep an eye on sensitive things at my place personally (same thing goes with installing physical locks, cameras, etc.). That's why I'm here and happy to learn about those things. About a week ago I had no idea how this works at all, mainly because that knowledge was never needed for me, but now I feel I learned a ton within a week (which was real fun tbh). I understand why most of the replies tried to persuade me to call a professional and I generally agree with this sentiment when it comes to average user. Anyhow, I'm still left with the siren box problem: I haven't taken down the siren box yet. The problem is its location which is very high, right below the gutter. When replacing the batteries I was barely able to reach it and open/close the compartment with them. I hope I could reconnect it with the main unit without taking it down? What would be the correct procedure to do so? FWIW, I can now provide more details from Wintex to maybe give more clues about the problem with it. Cheers! Connect computer to a platform lift , no need to crack codes , just get lift to take you up to bell box , you can get from hss Or alarm man will do with ladders wood pallets of doom and bucket full of tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Bit concerning it was that easy to get the codes and default it though? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 59 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Bit concerning it was that easy to get the codes and default it though? One thing you guys have taught me is how many come on the forum and blag , as resident blagger I would say more like panel unlocked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, james.wilson said: Bit concerning it was that easy to get the codes and default it though? Not that hard for any panel manufacturer if you know what your doing...? 9 minutes ago, al-yeti said: I would say more like panel unlocked Likely, why you need to continue on to crack the engineers code if you have UDL access is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 25, 2022 Share Posted March 25, 2022 On 24/03/2022 at 16:53, james.wilson said: Bit concerning it was that easy to get the codes and default it though? There is some sort of ruling, re code of the day or something or other, to do with the new cyber essentials bollooox. Ian keeps waffling on about you have to now make engineer codes dedicated to a site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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