Eugene's DIY Den Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 (edited) Something in the shed triggered my alarm last night. I'm thinking warm air currents in front of sensors or tamper contacts stick/slipping in this heat because of expansion/contraction or maybe bats. Does this panel differentiate between an alarm triggered by a sensor in a loop on a zone or the alarm triggered by a tamper going o/c on that zone? The panel just says a"Alarm" with the zone name. These false triggers are infrequent, maybe one or two a year, but always seem to happen in really hot weather. Edited July 21, 2021 by Eugene's DIY Den Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 All systems should show alarm, tamper and (if radio) battery faults separately, it's an important part of diagnosing a false alarm event. Unless you wire something up wrong, an alarm is the sensor triggering be that a fault or the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted July 21, 2021 Author Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: All systems should show alarm, tamper and (if radio) battery faults separately, it's an important part of diagnosing a false alarm event. Unless you wire something up wrong, an alarm is the sensor triggering be that a fault or the environment. So should it specify zone number, name, followed by type of alarm triggering event? I'll check if this actually does happen and report back. If it doesn't, does it mean I have detailed alarm event reporting turned off in the menu somewhere? Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 Tamper means exactly that the lid has come off something, or if hwired the cable may be damaged hkc will normally verbally tell you the fault "tamper zone 3" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: So should it specify zone number, name, followed by type of alarm triggering event? I'll check if this actually does happen and report back. If it doesn't, does it mean I have detailed alarm event reporting turned off in the menu somewhere? My alarm normally faults on the day everyone goes out (as we get to door) or heat is a problem , original wiring was loft and PSU can't take intense heat lol failed yesterday Galaxy dimension was bullet proof PSU transformer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, al-yeti said: PSU can't take intense heat as I said to the postman today, 20 is plenty... 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 If its a pir in a shed that isn't a great idea 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, PeterJames said: Tamper means exactly that the lid has come off something, or if hwired the cable may be damaged hkc will normally verbally tell you the fault "tamper zone 3" Yes, I just confirmed that. Edited July 22, 2021 by Eugene's DIY Den Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted July 22, 2021 Author Share Posted July 22, 2021 20 hours ago, james.wilson said: If its a pir in a shed that isn't a great idea Can I use a double knock option on the same zone to only trigger an alarm after several operations of the PIR? 1 Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 32 minutes ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: Can I use a double knock option on the same zone to only trigger an alarm after several operations of the PIR? You can, but you shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: Can I use a double knock option on the same zone to only trigger an alarm after several operations of the PIR? HKC have a wireless Dualtech now its much better for hostile environments like sheds and garages 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 3 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: You can, but you shouldn't. agreed its an awful option and should never be used If its wired use a dt, if rf use the hkc dt or better still dont use space protection in a shed 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: Can I use a double knock option on the same zone to only trigger an alarm after several operations of the PIR? Doesn't work well for fa 6 hours ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: Can I use a double knock option on the same zone to only trigger an alarm after several operations of the PIR? Hkc pir won't trigger as fast as normal standard pirs might be better option or the wireless as said above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 25 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Hkc pir won't trigger as fast as normal standard pirs as in more stable or slow? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 4 hours ago, james.wilson said: as in more stable or slow? Hkc pirs are stable plus they don't trigger on just a slight movement , not sure how to describe it lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted August 5, 2021 Author Share Posted August 5, 2021 On 22/07/2021 at 18:52, PeterJames said: HKC have a wireless Dualtech now its much better for hostile environments like sheds and garages What's the approximate line-of-sight range (for the radio signal) of those? Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 57 minutes ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: What's the approximate line-of-sight range (for the radio signal) of those? Its the same as the rest of the wireless kit "Developed by our in-house R&D team, the detector has exceptional RF range allowing it to be positioned in the trickiest of locations" https://www.hkcsecurity.com/Other/hkcsecurityCOM/Public Downloads/Ireland/Intrusion - Wireless/RF-PIR-DT.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 5, 2021 Share Posted August 5, 2021 I have tested extreme range of this, on a farm environment it was about 1km. At the time wish I had the powered mesh unit in theory I could of got 8, I will at some point do range testing on the leading manufacturers, but that needs a beach to be fair Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Trip to the Nederlands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 2 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: Trip to the Nederlands... Lol Odd place that , it's built in some kind of sand right? Or parts of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 5 hours ago, al-yeti said: Lol Odd place that , it's built in some kind of sand right? Or parts of it Its on water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 1 hour ago, PeterJames said: Its on water Yeah but they chucked a whole load of sand and gravel down I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Reclaimed sea, a good portion is below sea level. They don't think there will be much left if sea level continues to rise, bit like Norfolk. You can't stop the North Sea I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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