Sonic Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Just found all you guys by chance...didnt know the forum existed, how bad is that after years in the industry. Will certainly enjoy looking through threads... We are a small family company, NSI My mission, to find an alternative to Alarmaster, and Cash Mentor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 47 minutes ago, Sonic said: Just found all you guys by chance...didnt know the forum existed, how bad is that after years in the industry. Will certainly enjoy looking through threads... We are a small family company, NSI My mission, to find an alternative to Alarmaster, and Cash Mentor. Yo Topic thoroughly discussed on trade side, apply and join the alarm gorillas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Sonic said: Just found all you guys by chance...didnt know the forum existed, how bad is that after years in the industry. Will certainly enjoy looking through threads... We are a small family company, NSI My mission, to find an alternative to Alarmaster, and Cash Mentor. We have just moved from AM to Cash, both are a bit quirky but I am overall happy with the change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic Posted June 29, 2020 Author Share Posted June 29, 2020 Its the quoted £10K I cant get my head around......which really seems horrendous for this software. Also the monthly costs are pretty high. Its not cloud based which is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 http://www.acasystems.co.uk/ https://www.stealthsys.co.uk/ I'm probably going towards Mentor, I just have to arrange the sale of my spare kindey 1st.... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 36 minutes ago, Sonic said: Its the quoted £10K I cant get my head around......which really seems horrendous for this software. Also the monthly costs are pretty high. Its not cloud based which is good. You're lucky £26k was my starting bid Oh and you dont want cloud based unless its your own cloud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 As above loads of discussion in trade Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonic Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 16 hours ago, PeterJames said: You're lucky £26k was my starting bid Oh and you dont want cloud based unless its your own cloud WHAT !!!! 26K? Heck that's serious money. My buddy who sold commercial software, really big stuff globally, Verbatim etc, reckoned the going rate for ongoing support was between 10-18% per annum. Methinks that because its such a specialized software, they have our leg in the air. I sat down the other night to really take apart Alarmaster, and what it actually does. Apart from being a really rubbish and rough programme, no disrespect to Phil Jackson who built it, and I think we were one of the first to buy the programme, and a couple of hundred a year support, its so fragmented and bitty you can't transfer it from one machine to a new one without intricate changes to the PC operating system itself. That makes tech support essential and at the rate they want to stitch you up for. If it was as simple as just reinstalling it from say Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10, like a Word programme, that would be ok, but it's not. You have to faf about with the advantage database, other deep Windows commands etc. etc. It's a blinking nightmare, and the reports procedure is really junk as well. Even then, it was easy to ring up PC Data, Steve or someone would hop on team viewer and within 10 mins, all sorted. Now, Avanti who bought out PCData, operate a "support ticket" system, which is a pain and hardly counts as "support" If youve a machine crashed you need support straight away. My buddy in Suffolk waited 3 days for "support", and being linked to Sage accounting you can imagine the hassle. Moral, don't combine different software. The big insult, as soon as Avanti took over PCData they have jacked up the annual maintenance (Mine was £800 2019 with PCdata, and we never needed them!!!) to £1500, increasing to £5k in 3 years...Well I know where Dick Turpin now works. It would be much failrer to pay for support as and when you needed it..but then we know the reason why they don't do it. But the long and short of it is Alarmaster is well past its sell by date. Its buggy, claggy and slow, it can't open 2 tiles at once, can't change font sizes, its really primitive now and so many problems and limitations and of course won't run on IOS . Thats annoying as we run several Macs but have to keep windows for Alarmaster...etc...it really is just rubbish and at a premium rate. We made do with it for best part of 20 years. Now we need to upgrade all the machines and it's going to be trouble with a capital T. Unless anyone out there can sell their skills? Cash for Mentor seems the only choice. Looked at Jobber and loads of software for "trades" mostly American, but they don't tick our boxes, and of course your very valid point of not wanting "cloud" based. If it's not on my own server I don't want to know. So going back to what Amaster does, its not really a lot, just pulling and pushing from databases, with a user front end. The calculation of monthly NSI stats, Police response etc, could be a problem. There is a specialist opportunity for a good simple software application for our profession, at the moment in my opinion, held captive by Avanti and Mentor. I wonder if anyone still runs an Excel system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 A few have developed their own solution either because they wanted to move cos of the buyout or historically made the decision to do that years ago. 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Sonic said: WHAT !!!! 26K? Heck that's serious money. My buddy who sold commercial software, really big stuff globally, Verbatim etc, reckoned the going rate for ongoing support was between 10-18% per annum. Methinks that because its such a specialized software, they have our leg in the air. I sat down the other night to really take apart Alarmaster, and what it actually does. Apart from being a really rubbish and rough programme, no disrespect to Phil Jackson who built it, and I think we were one of the first to buy the programme, and a couple of hundred a year support, its so fragmented and bitty you can't transfer it from one machine to a new one without intricate changes to the PC operating system itself. That makes tech support essential and at the rate they want to stitch you up for. If it was as simple as just reinstalling it from say Windows 7 Pro to Windows 10, like a Word programme, that would be ok, but it's not. You have to faf about with the advantage database, other deep Windows commands etc. etc. It's a blinking nightmare, and the reports procedure is really junk as well. Even then, it was easy to ring up PC Data, Steve or someone would hop on team viewer and within 10 mins, all sorted. Now, Avanti who bought out PCData, operate a "support ticket" system, which is a pain and hardly counts as "support" If youve a machine crashed you need support straight away. My buddy in Suffolk waited 3 days for "support", and being linked to Sage accounting you can imagine the hassle. Moral, don't combine different software. The big insult, as soon as Avanti took over PCData they have jacked up the annual maintenance (Mine was £800 2019 with PCdata, and we never needed them!!!) to £1500, increasing to £5k in 3 years...Well I know where Dick Turpin now works. It would be much failrer to pay for support as and when you needed it..but then we know the reason why they don't do it. But the long and short of it is Alarmaster is well past its sell by date. Its buggy, claggy and slow, it can't open 2 tiles at once, can't change font sizes, its really primitive now and so many problems and limitations and of course won't run on IOS . Thats annoying as we run several Macs but have to keep windows for Alarmaster...etc...it really is just rubbish and at a premium rate. We made do with it for best part of 20 years. Now we need to upgrade all the machines and it's going to be trouble with a capital T. Unless anyone out there can sell their skills? Cash for Mentor seems the only choice. Looked at Jobber and loads of software for "trades" mostly American, but they don't tick our boxes, and of course your very valid point of not wanting "cloud" based. If it's not on my own server I don't want to know. So going back to what Amaster does, its not really a lot, just pulling and pushing from databases, with a user front end. The calculation of monthly NSI stats, Police response etc, could be a problem. There is a specialist opportunity for a good simple software application for our profession, at the moment in my opinion, held captive by Avanti and Mentor. I wonder if anyone still runs an Excel system. asolvi, pc data was dos based thing by alan norris in the days before I had a pc... IIRC Phil & Ken came along & a move to windows being bitchy, the company set up looked far from "flash", in similar manner that most of my clients have much better premises than I or my competitors have... I suspect bright young things don't want to do alarm software or databases ? Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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