datadiffusion Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Odd though wasn't it? "Hello, welcome to Gardiner Technology , we've got Gardtec panels, Novagard bells, Gardtec PIRs, Gardiner Technology 1.5" screws... oh and, I know this won't interest you, we also sell DSC" Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, datadiffusion said: "Hello, welcome to Gardiner Technology , we've got Gardtec panels, Novagard bells, Gardtec PIRs, Gardiner Technology 1.5" screws... oh and, I know this won't interest you, we also sell DSC" 1/2 dozen Napco DT's & one of those nice internal SAB in the speaker case 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 19 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: Why not run your own cables and get a small decent approved company to fit some decent kit? Not saying all companies would all be up for that or that they may want some disclaimer about existing cabling faults, but worth asking. Fitted a few DSC in the past for an integration job, specced by a HA company.... Uses an interface with a serial bus so the HA can see all the devices live, the rest was all done on the HA side. It was just weird foreign tat IMO nothing special. All these North American panels are just not designed for the UK market, they may work as an alarm but not conform and support will be limited from manufacturers and installers. JW listed most of the usual UK market panels, Galaxy Texecom Eaton etc. Have you actually decided if your DIYing or not because that's the first step really. Talking manufacturers is useless if your still thinking your getting someone in. Everything is already run, I've run all the sensors many months ago when we had a lot of work done, alone with probably 50 Cat6 I'm going with the Dimension or Flex, just deciding atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 I loved those sleepy Napcos Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 14 hours ago, MrHappy said: Domestic property of a certain risk - proper alarm with proper signalling, jewellery / watches Faberge eggs or whatever kept in safe of certain type. AMCO, you appear to want something cheap, they appear to have no approval for any of their scope of works. ADT ect..., if going to take days to fit , I assume over a grand just for the man hrs Konnected, again looks cheap & cheerful, Envisalink - looks cheap & cheerful... DSC - I believe they've fully withdrawn for the UK for a number of years, I thought they where pants... The out the box solution is texecom ect & control4 ect... Wired alarm in a bigish house couple of grand, control4 much much dearer I be happy to instruct any of my cleint's to do the wiring, however depend on who & what I may want paying to do so I've already run all the cables, no issue there. No I don't want something cheap, I talked with AMCO because they offered the ability to add their equipment alongside one of these boards that I may add on. ADT, no thanks, the rep who came out was a complete *****, excuse my french. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) Again I think the discussion around monitoring company went off topic too, I did some research but AMCO were the only ones who seemed interested in helping, and another firm in Knightsbridge I can't remember their name. If my insurance company is happy with them as a monitoring station I don't see the problem if their services work. Happy to hear feedback but everything online seems positive, more so than ADT. Also happy to hear other suggestions for South East monitoring. Edited April 16, 2020 by sg86sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 Gone for this kit: C005-M-E2 - Flex 20 Panel v3.1 Firmwar CP050-00-01 - MK8 Keypad CP037-XX - MK7 Keypad A083-00-01 - Ethernet Module v3 firmware A073-00-01 - RF Portal v3 firmware A081-00-01 - GSM module Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, sg86sg said: Gone for this kit: C005-M-E2 - Flex 20 Panel v3.1 Firmwar CP050-00-01 - MK8 Keypad CP037-XX - MK7 Keypad A083-00-01 - Ethernet Module v3 firmware A073-00-01 - RF Portal v3 firmware A081-00-01 - GSM module What will you use the GSM module for? Cheaper to run the selfmon I reckon through the network card , get more for your money Flex 20 will be to small for you judging by how you talk flex 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 16, 2020 Author Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, al-yeti said: What will you use the GSM module for? Cheaper to run the selfmon I reckon through the network card , get more for your money Flex 20 will be to small for you judging by how you talk flex 50 I thought the GSM module was for backup for dual path signalling is that not right? Can you expand on what is too small about the flex20? Im not using the door control and only have a 5 bed house so tbought it would be ok as it says for medium size businesses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Logan said: Can't you use a touchcenter with the flex 20 Stick to the sterling dude 39 minutes ago, sg86sg said: I thought the GSM module was for backup for dual path signalling is that not right? Can you expand on what is too small about the flex20? Im not using the door control and only have a 5 bed house so tbought it would be ok as it says for medium size businesses! Ok I understand I forget your going with an arc Just now, al-yeti said: Stick to the sterling dude Ok I understand I forget your going with an arc For price difference flex 20 for someone who wants to make it do more you will have less hassle having a bigger panel later I would definitely putting contacts on all the windows in your house aslong as you pay up Easiest way is wireless in this case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 But zones run out quick on a 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, sg86sg said: I thought the GSM module was for backup for dual path signalling is that not right? Can you expand on what is too small about the flex20? Im not using the door control and only have a 5 bed house so tbought it would be ok as it says for medium size businesses! No you need a polled solution for dualpath with backup etc However it may do it on the app as the vanderbilt, hkc etc push alarms through to the arc from the app platform not sure on the honeywell have never used it that way. ie the size yes it will do re size but maybe not for flexability. What your doing most 'medium' sized business wouldnt be doing Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 hours ago, sg86sg said: Everything is already run, I've run all the sensors many months ago when we had a lot of work done, alone with probably 50 Cat6 I'm going with the Dimension or Flex, just deciding atm. Are you saying you used Cat6 for the alarm cables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, PeterJames said: Are you saying you used Cat6 for the alarm cables? How I first read it, but I then thought not. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, MrHappy said: 1/2 dozen Napco DT's & one of those nice internal SAB in the speaker case Oh yeah I forgot they didn't do their own dualtechs did they? I've still got two of their 'flat lobby' SABs with the totally translucent case, because you never know! Edited April 16, 2020 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 6 hours ago, sg86sg said: I talked with AMCO because they.... Your on the internet asking a random bunch of spackers how to do your alarm.... If the choice was between you & AMCO to do my alarm, I'd choose you 6 hours ago, sg86sg said: Gone for this kit: C005-M-E2 - Flex 20 Panel v3.1 Firmwar CP050-00-01 - MK8 Keypad CP037-XX - MK7 Keypad A083-00-01 - Ethernet Module v3 firmware A073-00-01 - RF Portal v3 firmware A081-00-01 - GSM module mk7 & mk8, strange... 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, james.wilson said: No you need a polled solution for dualpath with backup etc However it may do it on the app as the vanderbilt, hkc etc push alarms through to the arc from the app platform not sure on the honeywell have never used it that way. ie the size yes it will do re size but maybe not for flexability. What your doing most 'medium' sized business wouldnt be doing I thought it was all DIY connection to an arc somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 50 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: I've still got two of their 'flat lobby' SABs with the totally translucent case, because you never know! I miss these... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 hours ago, MrHappy said: Your on the internet asking a randy bunch of security specialists how to do your alarm.... If the choice was between you & AMCO to monitor my alarm, I'd choose you mk7 & mk8, strange... fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, PeterJames said: fixed I'm frightened.... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) ^^ Whats the private meter for, the dungeon? 15 hours ago, MrHappy said: I miss these... Yeah I remember those, we very occ. used them on flats where they didn't want anything outside at all, or for big houses outbuildings that sort of thing. I had one of the matching SAB speakers left over for years, no idea why I kept it, finally used it on a commercial job a while back. I can find a picture of the ones I've got (their buried) but they had the same guts in a very slim case, which was semi-translucent (it had a strobe). Internal use only. Edited April 17, 2020 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 21 hours ago, al-yeti said: Stick to the sterling dude Ok I understand I forget your going with an arc For price difference flex 20 for someone who wants to make it do more you will have less hassle having a bigger panel later I would definitely putting contacts on all the windows in your house aslong as you pay up Easiest way is wireless in this case Yea this is why I didn't see a need for a bigger panel though, because I'm getting the wireless addon I can add contact to any windows that I missed. I agree more working space is nice, I'm used to bigger cables but I don't see any additional wires of boards going in here that I've not already got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, MrHappy said: Your on the internet asking a random bunch of spackers how to do your alarm.... If the choice was between you & AMCO to do my alarm, I'd choose you mk7 & mk8, strange... mk7 is cheaper and will be in the server cupboard, whereas the mk8 looks nicer and will be in the hall . That's assuming you're wondering why i'm getting both. Yea I wasn't going to let AMCO touch anything in the house, even run cables. The agreement I made with them was to literally install their speaker setup and into the panel and then monitor it 20 hours ago, PeterJames said: Are you saying you used Cat6 for the alarm cables? haha no! that's for all the points around the house, APs, CCTV (all PoE etc), TVs etc. Edited April 17, 2020 by sg86sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, sg86sg said: mk7 is cheaper and will be in the server cupboard, whereas the mk8 looks nicer and will be in the hall good feedback, do you like the mk8 then? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg86sg Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, james.wilson said: good feedback, do you like the mk8 then? Well it looks alright, better than the MK7 I don't see the touchpanel warrants any extra money, looks quite cheap to me comparing it to devices like Nest stats etc. It will literally be used to arm/disarm because everything else can be done from the mobile app anyway And I'm not going for the Prox one because that just seems stupid to me from a security standpoint, like if you drop your keys, loose the fob, or leave your keys by the front door which my wife will prob do all the time! Edited April 17, 2020 by sg86sg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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