jim239 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Hi everyone, I am putting Hikvision CCTV on my timber frame bungalow conversion, I know I should have got the ethernet cables sorted when the electrician wired the place up but it got left out unfortunately. Some of the cameras will be going under the roof so can just go straight into the loft where my NVR will be, however some are going to be mounted lower down. Would it be ok to put those cables in trunking and run behind the guttering or along the outside of the house? Just wondering what you guys would do on a professional job, I can't see many people being happy with loads of holes cut internally around the house to run cables behind the walls.It seems much easier to run them all externally back to a single point and then inside to the NVR. Regards Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Hi Jim Welcome to the forum. Firstly I would not advise installing the recorder in the loft. In the winter its a cold place and in the summer time it will get very hot. Those temperature changes are not good for electronics. As for installing the cameras it is quite hard to say when we haven't seen the building this is why we survey properties. However, we would use copex outside rather than trunking, trunking is primarily used for internal cable containment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 External grade cable probably in some containment like tube if low level would be good practice if you need to run externally. Would normally try to keep the cables internal where possible, rarely needs "loads of holes" if your a pro and know what your doing. I don't see where you mention having the NVR in the loft but I do agree for the reasons above. These vague questions are tricky to answer really without seeing the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim239 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Thank you for the reply, I will move the NVR to inside the room in the loft rather than the loft space in the eaves. I can pair this up with my home server too so that is fine. Thank for the heads up on the trunking, I will look at copex instead. I am thinking just having the cables clipped to the exterior render where necessary, Its hard trying to make it look tidy without cutting away inside. Doesn't help that the only exterior cat5 I could find was black. Two of my cameras are going to be mounted on my ground floor rear extension and I really don't want to run those cables inside around my living room and up into the loft. Is there any particular method of cabling that I should be looking at? I have been doing a lot of youtube research to try and work out what to do. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said: I don't see where you mention having the NVR in the loft 1 hour ago, jim239 said: so can just go straight into the loft where my NVR will be, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, jim239 said: Thank you for the reply, I will move the NVR to inside the room in the loft rather than the loft space in the eaves. I can pair this up with my home server too so that is fine. Thank for the heads up on the trunking, I will look at copex instead. I am thinking just having the cables clipped to the exterior render where necessary, Its hard trying to make it look tidy without cutting away inside. Doesn't help that the only exterior cat5 I could find was black. Two of my cameras are going to be mounted on my ground floor rear extension and I really don't want to run those cables inside around my living room and up into the loft. Is there any particular method of cabling that I should be looking at? I have been doing a lot of youtube research to try and work out what to do. Jim What colour is your guttering? Black Cat 5 hides well behind black pipes, duct grade comes in white and some other colours link below. Internally we would go under the floorboards utilise any floor to ceiling cupboards and external down pipes with cable ties worse case. Again without seeing the property its hard to tell you how to hide the cable. https://www.millsltd.com/structured-cabling-products/cat-5e.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim239 Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 My guttering is black, I will take some photos and try to upload them to give you a better idea of what I am trying to do. Thank you for your help, it's really appreciated. I now looking for some server racking or cabinets to hold everything, I think the wife thinks I am trying to start my own Netflix with the setup I want but she will appreciate the end result. I am certainly learning that I should have had this all worked out when I did the build and sorted it then. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 hours ago, PeterJames said: Hi Jim Welcome to the forum. Firstly I would not advise installing the recorder in the loft. In the winter its a cold place and in the summer time it will get very hot. Those temperature changes are not good for electronics. As for installing the cameras it is quite hard to say when we haven't seen the building this is why we survey properties. However, we would use copex outside rather than trunking, trunking is primarily used for internal cable containment. Never had a problem with electronics in a loft space , electronics are designed for temperature variations , in most parts of UK it will survive 2 hours ago, jim239 said: Thank you for the reply, I will move the NVR to inside the room in the loft rather than the loft space in the eaves. I can pair this up with my home server too so that is fine. Thank for the heads up on the trunking, I will look at copex instead. I am thinking just having the cables clipped to the exterior render where necessary, Its hard trying to make it look tidy without cutting away inside. Doesn't help that the only exterior cat5 I could find was black. Two of my cameras are going to be mounted on my ground floor rear extension and I really don't want to run those cables inside around my living room and up into the loft. Is there any particular method of cabling that I should be looking at? I have been doing a lot of youtube research to try and work out what to do. Jim If you use tubing or copex do it right , most leave gaps by not using the right bends connectors etc and they just collect water inside them Better of clipping cable direct if that's the case if you get me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 7 hours ago, al-yeti said: Never had a problem with electronics in a loft space , electronics are designed for temperature variations , in most parts of UK it will survive Hard drives will have a short life in heat Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Most drives recommended operation temperature is 5 - 50 C, however the hotter they are the more likely you will get a failure. I wouldn't put anything like this in a loft you have the temperature changes but also dirt and dust being sucked into the machine. They are a server treat them like one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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