Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Hi all. I best start of saying I'm a complete beginner when it comes to alarm systems as you'll probably guess. I have a Honeywell Flex 20 and a keypad and a couple of budget PIR motion sensors to test out wiring EOL before I buy more (better quality) and install. On the manual its shows 8 connections on the sensor. 2x Faults, 2xTamper, 2x Alarm 2 Power. But on most of the motion sensors I've seen they only have 6 connections. 2xTamper 2x Alarm 2x Power The manuals showing me where to wire the resistors including into the 2 fault connections but how do i wire the resistors if I only have the 6 connections? I watched a couple of YouTube videos and I'm thinking I may have it right but now I'm not sure how that wires to the board as again the manual shows the fault connections being wired to the board. I've attached a couple of pictures from the manual and one from the sensor I think it's wired right, you'll have to ignore the wire colours as I'm using old cat5 cable for testing. Also another part what should be easy is if I'm not using a zone on the alarm I'm not actually sure where to wire them. Sorry for the fact questions and thanks for any help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Fault is optional for higher grade detectors just wire it as you have for alarm and tamper Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Fault is optional for higher grade detectors just wire it as you have for alarm and tamper Thanks for the reply. So how do I tell which is the tamper connection and which is the alarm connection on each zone on the panel ? As it doesn't label them like on the sensors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Logan said: I reccomend you you 8 core alarm cable. Using phone or cat 5 Ethernet network can cause problems Thanks I have bought alarm cable just waiting for it being delivered. Although the manual does recommend Cat5 cable. Although I've only ordered 4 core as I thought that's all I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Steve23 said: Thanks for the reply. So how do I tell which is the tamper connection and which is the alarm connection on each zone on the panel ? As it doesn't label them like on the sensors. Panel just wire the two cores to a zone and that's it , the panel uses two cores for the zone for tamper and alarm , which is why eol is done at the sensor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Panel just wire the two cores to a zone and that's it , the panel uses two cores for the zone for tamper and alarm , which is why eol is done at the sensor Thanks. I'm not great with this can I just check, You are basically saying I can use either of the zone connections as long as the resistors are right in the sensor ? Can I also ask you about the diagram above, it shows the -V joining one of the alarm wires on the sensor side and then onto the 0V on the panel.. Is that the normal way of doing it then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, Steve23 said: Thanks. I'm not great with this can I just check, You are basically saying I can use either of the zone connections as long as the resistors are right in the sensor ? Can I also ask you about the diagram above, it shows the -V joining one of the alarm wires on the sensor side and then onto the 0V on the panel.. Is that the normal way of doing it then Can be yes  But at panel  0v to one leg of sensor which is centre of zone1&2  And Z1 leg to other leg of sensor  Then zone 2 would be one leg from same 0v connection at panel and other leg to z2 You could ignore that drawing as it may confuse you using the fault connections Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 I see that as a plus tbf. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, Logan said: I love my galaxy 16+Â Â More complicated than a g2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Thanks for the info guys. Yeah i realise there's more to it then I thought . I naively thought the connections would be similar to what the kepad was A to A, B to B etc Can I double check with you guys, I asked the question at the same time on a Facebook group and someone suggested putting the resistors inline and not into the connections on the sensor is that how you would do it ? I'm talking to him through Google translate so thought it would be a bit tricky to ask him. He sent me this picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steve23 said: Thanks for the info guys. Yeah i realise there's more to it then I thought . I naively thought the connections would be similar to what the kepad was A to A, B to B etc Can I double check with you guys, I asked the question at the same time on a Facebook group and someone suggested putting the resistors inline and not into the connections on the sensor is that how you would do it ? I'm talking to him through Google translate so thought it would be a bit tricky to ask him. He sent me this picture. Forget this drawing , as jw already said what you done is ok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Better passives with resistors built in is an option too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Wouldn't fit anything that hasn't got sealed optics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 hours ago, Steve23 said: I best start of saying I'm a complete beginner when it comes to alarm systems as you'll probably guess.  Buy a dog.... 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Steve23 said: Facebook group and someone suggested putting the resistors in line and not into the connections on the sensor is that how you would do it ?  No, I'm in the English, we don't do that sort of thing...  1 hour ago, Steve23 said: I'm talking to him through Google translate so thought it would be a bit tricky to ask him.  In his part of the world they probably, have dead dogs in the street, open sewers & wire alarm funny....  Was it Prestatyn ? Edited February 3, 2020 by MrHappy 2 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, MrHappy said:  No, I'm in the English, we don't do that sort of thing...   In his part of the world they probably, have dead dogs in the street, open sewers & wire alarm funny....  Was it Prestatyn ? That town has changed from the email notification I got I do have a dog who likes to sleep and not notice anything or anyone lol By the way are these Pet immune sensors a gimmick or do they actually work for dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, Steve23 said: That town has changed from the email notification I got  I realised that Rochdale has yet to get internet.... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Logan said: Then how does risco have a website  Hosted by Incapsula Inc Washington USA  Any orders from the Risco store are sent by Telex to Rochdale,  There is a time difference to account for, its about 30yrs.... Edited February 3, 2020 by MrHappy Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecureAlarms Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, Steve23 said: Thanks for the info guys. Yeah i realise there's more to it then I thought . I naively thought the connections would be similar to what the kepad was A to A, B to B etc Can I double check with you guys, I asked the question at the same time on a Facebook group and someone suggested putting the resistors inline and not into the connections on the sensor is that how you would do it ? I'm talking to him through Google translate so thought it would be a bit tricky to ask him. He sent me this picture. How long is the resistor that goes from Z1 to A? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecureAlarms Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, Logan said: No thats wrong. The "boxes" are your 1K resistors 1k across the A + A. 1K across A + T. 1 Core in 1st A. Second Core in Unused T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecureAlarms Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Logan said: Yes I just couldn't get it from OP's diagram. Seems to be making things more confusing than need be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 4 hours ago, Steve23 said:  resistors 1k & 3k ?  tamper & alarm relay closed, circuit reads 4k  alarm relay opens, circuit goes 100k> & alarm goes into tamper...   Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 26 minutes ago, SecureAlarms said: I just couldn't get it from OP's diagram. Seems to be making things more confusing than need be. But remember we are alarm engineers and that is basic diagrams to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hillbilly said: But remember we are alarm engineers and that is basic diagrams to us. If you say so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve23 Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, SecureAlarms said: 1k across the A + A. 1K across A + T. 1 Core in 1st A. Second Core in Unused T. Thanks I'm starting the understand things now. I like your explanation it's so simple even I understand it. Yeah that diagram was what I got sent by someone which confused me as it contradicted everything I'd been reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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