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Hi all, apologies if this is in anyway a stupid question but I could very much use some expert advice with this please!

 

Essentially, I moved into a new-build property a couple of years ago and it has what I believe to be the 'Scantronic 9751' alarm system installed. Is there a way this can be upgraded to make it more 'smart' and/or connected? Ideally I'd like to be able to remotely monitor it, and use the motion sensors that are in each room in a more intelligent way (i.e. connecting to Alexa/Hue/Google/Homekit/Smartthings etc.).

 

Presumably I'll have to replace the 9751 itself (which is fine) but just unsure if there's something I can purchase that'll allow me to use the motion sensors in this way, as I'd rather not have to buy a load of new ones if I can avoid it! 

 

Thanks in advance!

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5 minutes ago, DaveDave said:

Hi all, apologies if this is in anyway a stupid question but I could very much use some expert advice with this please!

 

Essentially, I moved into a new-build property a couple of years ago and it has what I believe to be the 'Scantronic 9751' alarm system installed. Is there a way this can be upgraded to make it more 'smart' and/or connected? Ideally I'd like to be able to remotely monitor it, and use the motion sensors that are in each room in a more intelligent way (i.e. connecting to Alexa/Hue/Google/Homekit/Smartthings etc.).

 

Presumably I'll have to replace the 9751 itself (which is fine) but just unsure if there's something I can purchase that'll allow me to use the motion sensors in this way, as I'd rather not have to buy a load of new ones if I can avoid it! 

 

Thanks in advance!

You can generally use the existing detectors all round , perhaps a small mods maybe required within each one 

 

But you can't make the 9571 smarter than it is , definitely will have to change the main control panel and keypads

 

You planning to DIY it? Not always easy though depends on your skill and which panel you go for as some require an installer for the app systems some don't 

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Thanks. I wouldn't be able to do it myself so would need an installer, but more than happy to do that if I know what I need to purchase etc. Happy to change control panel if needed too.

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1 minute ago, DaveDave said:

Thanks. I wouldn't be able to do it myself so would need an installer, but more than happy to do that if I know what I need to purchase etc. Happy to change control panel if needed too.

What part of country are you?

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What would you want it to do though? It is possible to make anything smarter with Alexa using the right electronics, but I am not so sure that I would want her to disarm my alarm via voice just yet, even though she knows my voice she is far from infallible 

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Thanks Peter. 

 

To be honest, the main thing I want is just to be able to use my motion sensors in a more advanced way - i.e. linking them to my Hue/Smartthings/Alexa smart home setup. I was going to purchase Hue motion sensors to control when the lights come on/off but struck me that I already have sensors across the house so makes sense to see how I could use those first.

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5 minutes ago, DaveDave said:

Thanks Peter. 

 

To be honest, the main thing I want is just to be able to use my motion sensors in a more advanced way - i.e. linking them to my Hue/Smartthings/Alexa smart home setup. I was going to purchase Hue motion sensors to control when the lights come on/off but struck me that I already have sensors across the house so makes sense to see how I could use those first.

To be honest i am not really a fan of having a alarm system connected to the internet as it can be hacked.    

 

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1 hour ago, Logan said:

To be honest i am not really a fan of having a alarm system connected to the internet as it can be hacked.    

 

Totally disagree with that statement

Yes it's possible if using insecure ways/equipment/setup etc

 

Best disable your smartphone/pc etc too


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1 hour ago, PeterJames said:

What would you want it to do though? It is possible to make anything smarter with Alexa using the right electronics, but I am not so sure that I would want her to disarm my alarm via voice just yet, even though she knows my voice she is far from infallible 

Be serious man your going to be smart bunny sticking with a 9571 lol

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Just now, james.wilson said:

Totally disagree with that statement

Yes it's possible if using insecure ways/equipment/setup etc

 

Best disable your smartphone/pc etc too

What i said is my opinion.   Yes internet connected systems are more convenient BUT they can be hacked.  

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1 hour ago, Logan said:

To be honest i am not really a fan of having a alarm system connected to the internet as it can be hacked.    

 

Nah , Logan just get your alarm on an app as it's free on the ion asap and you won't go back

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What i said is my opinion.   Yes internet connected systems are more convenient BUT they can be hacked.  

Nah unlikely it's not just about convenience dude

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1 hour ago, DaveDave said:

Thanks Peter. 

 

To be honest, the main thing I want is just to be able to use my motion sensors in a more advanced way - i.e. linking them to my Hue/Smartthings/Alexa smart home setup. I was going to purchase Hue motion sensors to control when the lights come on/off but struck me that I already have sensors across the house so makes sense to see how I could use those first.

Leave intruder pirs seperate 

 

But you can link alarm to home system in different ways

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Just now, al-yeti said:

Nah , Logan just get your alarm on an app as it's free on the ion asap and you won't go back

Its a ion 30exd. I dont think this panel is able to.  Nothing in the engineer menu about wifi comms

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2 minutes ago, Logan said:

Its a ion 30exd. I dont think this panel is able to.  Nothing in the engineer menu about wifi comms

Where's an ambulance when you need one ?

 

DD can the 30 be firmware upgraded for app? 

 

Thought it was only the 16 that couldn't 

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13 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Totally disagree with that statement

Yes it's possible if using insecure ways/equipment/setup etc

 

Best disable your smartphone/pc etc too

Im used to the U.S. apps.   All you got to do is download the app. Connect to the same wifi as your alarm Enter your alarms code. Then your app works 

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1 minute ago, Logan said:

Im used to the us apps.   All you got to do is download the app. Connect to the same wifi as your alarm Enter your alarms code. Then your app works 

Not an anything that meets en here. 

Hkc needs unique panel Id, programmable password and 4-6 digit pin

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11 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Not an anything that meets en here. 

Hkc needs unique panel Id, programmable password and 4-6 digit pin

Alarms here are way better than the us kit.

 

  In the U.S. Panel plugged into socket.  No tamper on anything.  No bell boxs.     Only 1 pir in huge houses were there should be 5-10 PIRs 

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Anything that is connected to the internet has a risk. As engineers we do our best to keep things secure and hope that the manufacturers have made secure ways to deploy them.

People expect to be able to plug anything in with no care for if it will be exploited down the line, no software updates or maintenance.

I would actually agree with Logan and say that I wouldn't want a security system connected to the internet. Especially considering what people call "smart" at the moment, isn't what it's cracked up to be.

 

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1 hour ago, al-yeti said:

DD can the 30 be firmware upgraded for app? 

 

Sorry was queuing in the corridor!

 

Nope, older 'Gen 1' panels can only be upgraded to non-smart type firmware. In any case the old iOn30 (metal cased, non 'R' version) didn't have a network port anyway.

 

Only Compact, 30R, 40H G2 and G3 have app capability (Gen 2)


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3 hours ago, DaveDave said:

Thanks Peter. 

 

To be honest, the main thing I want is just to be able to use my motion sensors in a more advanced way - i.e. linking them to my Hue/Smartthings/Alexa smart home setup. I was going to purchase Hue motion sensors to control when the lights come on/off but struck me that I already have sensors across the house so makes sense to see how I could use those first.

Well with an app enabled alarm system you can link the detectors and wireless outputs to switch on lights etc. I am not so sure how well that would work though, getting cosy in the lounge and the lights keep switching on when the pir detects movement, same with the bedrooms . I have Alexa in most of the rooms in my house and I use voice to switch stuff on and off. I swapped my light switch's for broadlink programmable switch's , and I have a couple of broadlink pro's around the house. My alarm switch's on the hall lights as courtesy when entering and leaving the house. and when I set or part set the alarm switch's all the light's in the house and the outbuildings off when armed. James has his back and front doors controlling his outside lighting the light comes on every time he opens the door.

Oh my lights come on when the alarm goes off too. 

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Consider "KonectedIO"  , panel upgrade it pigybacks on existing Panel connections ~$90. basically reading sensor states. existing panel is not  to accessable from Smart thing/ internet  but can be made be.

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I don't see the point in that type of thing, if you know what you are doing with a decent panel you can mimic zone outputs.

Also how well will it work with EOL circuits, what about battery backup?

Anyone that way inclined would just use a RasPi piggybacked off the alarm

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39 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

I don't see the point in that type of thing, if you know what you are doing with a decent panel you can mimic zone outputs.

 

Yeah I agree in any case you're much better off with manf's own IP (or something SIA based like WW) to read off actual data rather than a limited set of sensor states.

The best thing about apps is the ability to see, 'oh yeah, two zones were tripped, then the alarm went off for a couple of minutes, but then the system was unset and reset by user 2'

And the whole remote control thing which you don't get with such add-ons.

 

39 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Also how well will it work with EOL circuits, what about battery backup?

 

Wired off same 12V as alarm would be fine for BBU, as for EOL, it would only have to sense changes down a single high res. sensing wire on the non-ground leg of a circuit so could co-exist, though obv's that might be slightly panel dependent.

 

39 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Anyone that way inclined would just use a RasPi piggybacked off the alarm

 

True but if it really is only $90 (as opposed to euros) then probably not worth the hastle. But going back to point 1, still not something I'd bother with. If I had to upgrade a 9751 it'd be almost an easier job to change for a panel with a native app (e.g. a 40H) than bodge about, with the benefits of the new panel too like RF capability and a much clearer keypad and user menus.

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I would assume the idea of having all the zone inputs is to control lighting based on occupancy.

It doesn't specify say it supports EOL zones even tho it's electronically possible and looks like it's for the American market which have different types of system to us over here.

The way I understand it the alarm panel would be redundant, would you want an alarm and keypad with no zones connected to it powered up, seems daft.

RasPi is $35 and capable of doing OpenHAB, I am comparing like for like, over things like WW1 or SIA.

The IP module that comes with the panel makes sense if you have that option but again I see this as an integration enabling product not a signalling one.

 

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