PodMan Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I have an issue with a Pyronix enforcer alarm kit. The PIR that came is unable to detect in the rear room as there are bifolds and a kitchen which raises the temp too high. I'm looking for a Dual tech PIR and there are 3 available so which is best and easiest to install for a DIY application. FPKX15DT3 ,FPKX15DTAM3, Pyronix Enforcer KX12DT,. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 So your wiring it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 DT isn't going to solve the issue if it's heat or a door in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 Hi Its a wireless system. I think its a heat issue only as the glass doors and sun ramp up the hest in the room adding the fact that cooking was going on as well at the time it was very hot in there. worked in the evening when the temp had reduced. no doors or obstacles of any fashion in the way.. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Well all those DT's are wired. I don't use Pyronix but wireless DT's are pretty rare, not all manufacturers have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 3 hours ago, PodMan said: I have an issue with a Pyronix enforcer alarm kit. The PIR that came is unable to detect in the rear room as there are bifolds and a kitchen which raises the temp too high. I'm looking for a Dual tech PIR and there are 3 available so which is best and easiest to install for a DIY application. FPKX15DT3 ,FPKX15DTAM3, Pyronix Enforcer KX12DT,. Get rid pir and use perimeter protection in that area perhaps you maybe 3-4 contacts / shocks depending on how many opening you have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Wireless dt i only know of hkc. It wakes the mw part up when needed I'd assume texe have one tho? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted September 9, 2019 Author Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: 10 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Wireless dt i only know of hkc. It wakes the mw part up when needed I'd assume texe have one tho? Well all those DT's are wired. I don't use Pyronix but wireless DT's are pretty rare, not all manufacturers have them. Hi again Bought system from SW last week. KX12DQ-WE is wireless has digital temp compensation when room temp matches body temp and the KX12DT is wireless also and is dual tech so which is best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 What's the issue detection in a hot area or false alarms. I would always go for perimeter in a conservatory etc Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 It’s not a conservatory it’s a heat issue in a large room that is a kitchen/Dining/sitting room with 6m bifolds floor to ceiling. Last Sunday with sun and cooking in the room through the doors the temp rise caused the device not to be able to detect a us moving. No false alarm just did not detect. Pyronix Tech said dual tech or similar. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I'm not sure dt will I'd expect the pir side to have the same issue. You might be better with perimeter detection Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 55 minutes ago, PodMan said: It’s not a conservatory it’s a heat issue in a large room that is a kitchen/Dining/sitting room with 6m bifolds floor to ceiling. Last Sunday with sun and cooking in the room through the doors the temp rise caused the device not to be able to detect a us moving. No false alarm just did not detect. Pyronix Tech said dual tech or similar. Cheers If you are cooking then the alarm won't be set? Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 I know that alarm won’t be working when cooking it was referencing the heat issue on an only mildly sunny day. Mid summer would do the same with no cooking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, james.wilson said: I'm not sure dt will I'd expect the pir side to have the same issue. You might be better with perimeter detection Fitting a prom sensor on the bifolds would be difficult and ugly. What about the DQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Any sensor with pir in it is going to have issues around 35+ ambient Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, PodMan said: I know that alarm won’t be working when cooking it was referencing the heat issue on an only mildly sunny day. Mid summer would do the same with no cooking My pref would be a DT (for false alarms, not non alarming reasons) and to contact to the door. If installed correctly they are unobtrusive and if the door is grey etc, then they can be colour matched. As above a DT won't cure your issue as both technologies have to simultaneously activate to trigger the panel, the PIR element will still struggle in hot environments. In real terms they are only likely to enter via the doors (regardless of protection) and will go elsewhere. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, norman said: My pref would be a DT (for false alarms, not non alarming reasons) and to contact to the door. If installed correctly they are unobtrusive and if the door is grey etc, then they can be colour matched. As above a DT won't cure your issue as both technologies have to simultaneously activate to trigger the panel, the PIR element will still struggle in hot environments. In real terms they are only likely to enter via the doors (regardless of protection) and will go elsewhere. Hi to all thanks for your help and a decision will be soon made. Lots to think about. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Hi just for clarity a pir works using passive infra red to detect movement of heat, if the ambient temp is high then it will struggle to detect. A dual technology detector is two different types of detection in one Microwave which uses radar dopler to detect, and passive infra red, both radar doplar and the passive infra red have to detect before the detector activates. Which means you will still have the same problem with it not detecting. Not familiar with the Pyronix tat so I could be wrong but surely all new kit is two way technology, therefore the detector wont be working while the alarm is unset anyway? HKC is the only manufacturer that makes a wireless DT not that it would work in your situ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Texe have had one for ages. Needs perimeter IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Agreed Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PodMan Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Hi sixwheeledbeast thanks for the last message. Since the last contacts I have got 2new sensors that work well but now I am having issues with the 2 that came originally with the kit in that they are now placed in the hall and landing and have difficulty picking me up efficiently ie I have to wave my arms ( not usual for burgers to do). I also have an issue with one door contact. Being learnt easily enough but not functioning in settings. I set the alarm 10 times using the proximity fob in a row with no problem but when we went away with all the doors closed internally the alarm wouldn’t set as it did not sense me leaving on the entry exit sensor. Finally i can’t set the alarm at all using the key fob but I can disarm it with no problem. There are are other things poss to discuss but I’m at work and time is limited. Regards PodMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 hours ago, PodMan said: There are are other things poss to discuss but I’m at work and time is limited. Stay late at work, get some overtime in & pay an alarm man to set up it.... They should know hoe the different ext modes work & how to define which buttons does what the keyfob 2 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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