mauog Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Hello, I have some rope sensors installed on my rolling shutters. I have a Risco Plus system. According to the handbook I set the "loop response" to "extra fast, 1ms". I would like to know if there is a recommended value for the pulse count value. I can understand that it could depend on sensor brand but I'm figuring out if there is any value to be set that come from general experience. Thank You Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 What's a 'rope' sensor? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauog Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 hours ago, james.wilson said: What's a 'rope' sensor? I don't know what is exactly the name in english but here you are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I have to admit I'm not entirely sure what *that* device is in English Is it for an automatic roller door? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauog Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 You have to connect the rope to the end of the shutter. So as soon as the shutter moves the rope moves in or out to the device opening the circuit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, mauog said: You have to connect the rope to the end of the shutter. So as soon as the shutter moves the rope moves in or out to the device opening the circuit. Ok so this a movement detection device , fully compatible with bentel systems after a bit internet H stalking and Google translation https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ART471N-Sensore-a-fune-compatibile-Bentel-per-Antifurto-Tapparelle-avvolgibili-/182713252651 If you don't speak English , your phone should ask you to translate description to english Edited August 6, 2019 by al-yeti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 bet it costs a lot more than 9448 ? http://www.coopercsa.it/it/prodotti/componenti-sistemi-antifurto/contatti-avvolgibili/contatto-fune-avvolgibili-serie-471 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 10 minutes ago, MrHappy said: bet it costs a lot more than 9448 ? http://www.coopercsa.it/it/prodotti/componenti-sistemi-antifurto/contatti-avvolgibili/contatto-fune-avvolgibili-serie-471 7 quid from eBay Italy if you can can get shipping deal done however you're right Eaton probably want 70 quid 7 quid from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) Funny company that CSA, bought by Menvier early 90s just before they themselves got taken over by Scantronic I think. Occasionally rebadged products have appeared over here usually prox related e.g. standalone door entry prox rebadged as a UK Menvier product and also the menvier keypad passive proxies were by that co. in Italy. Edited August 6, 2019 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, datadiffusion said: Funny company that CSA, bought by Menvier early 90s just before they themselves got taken over by Scantronic I think. Occasionally rebadged products have appeared over here usually prox related e.g. standalone door entry prox rebadged as a UK Menvier product and also the menvier keypad passive proxies were by that co. in Italy. Eaton basher Edited August 6, 2019 by datadiffusion Updated my own quote! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 53 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Eaton basher How do you know these things - who tells you? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 43 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: How do you know these things - who tells you? H , he sells stalking info on ebay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Oh, well that's OK then. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Op is the output of the sensor relay based? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauog Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 Ops I let the thread control My porblem is to set a correct value in the filed "Pulse count". Lower value increase the possibility of a false alarm and a high value cannot identify a real intrusion event... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 If its a relay output marked nc then I would set at 300ms and 1 pulse Do you have the manual for the detector? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauog Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, james.wilson said: If its a relay output marked nc then I would set at 300ms and 1 pulse Do you have the manual for the detector? In the manual the only thing connected to pulse time is: Pulse 4 ÷ 6 ms Risco anyway recommend to set for this kind of device a loop response of 1ms but doesn't specify the number of pulse count... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I assume its like a vibration sensor but I'd expect noise on the cables to cause issues at 1ms Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 2 hours ago, james.wilson said: Op is the output of the sensor relay based? It's two wire sensor on movement dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 does the string need wetting to get a low Ω's Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Apropos of nothing Eaton / Scanny wireless contacts also do pulse count for RSD, never noticed the feature on any other TBH Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I would assume d knock work as goes of twice within x or says open for x Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauog Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 21 hours ago, james.wilson said: I assume its like a vibration sensor but I'd expect noise on the cables to cause issues at 1ms Thats why, I think, you can set more the one pulse count. Of course on there is and there could be noise due to for example some wind moving the shutter or not yet perfer stopped as soon as the shutter goes down and you have to arm the alarm system. Anyway here you are the manual: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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