datadiffusion Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 LOL, no I can assure you it wasn't that, the couple are still there now! Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 2 hours ago, David N said: What do you suggest? 5 hours ago, PeterJames said: I would use a smoke beam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If they are Exodus smokes on a Texecom Premier system I would consider a replacement for Aico low voltage. This is unless the site warrants a "proper" fire alarm system installing which maybe what the alarm company are alluding too. It's possible the devices are contaminated and need replacing, I'd expect them to be replaced periodically as part of maintenance if on brigade every 5 years. Also possible they are the wrong type of detection, the generic Exodus "blue" multisensor isn't suitable in kitchens and orangery's IMO. Beams are an option but they would have to be compatible with an intruder alarm, kit like fire beams are designed for a fire alarm as referenced above. TBH I would have at least made the system KH only and replaced the heads in the time being until you resolve the issue. Sounds like so far you have had people come and look but do little in reactive response. Either way your in the hands of the alarm company really. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Also re. beams I suspect from your subsequent descriptions that the orangery is not the huge open space with a couple of chairs and a table (I certainly) first imagined so 1+ for the above Edited July 24, 2019 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David N Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 5 hours ago, datadiffusion said: Exodus then Yes Blue is combined Optical (Smoke) and Heat Ultimately, one for your installer to sort out, really, be interesting to see what they suggest. I have, in the past, been given silly directions by builders misinterpreting building control regs, e.g. was asked to fit smokes in every bedroom in a domestic house with loft extension 'because the regulations say'. I wonder if the same has happened with your installer here? Personally the kitchen would always be a heat detector, as recommended. Is it always just the one detector false alarming then? It was the utility one false alarming. Spy Alarms want to replace that one. Since then the kitchen one has started to do false alarms. Its all linked to a Control4 system that piggybacks the PIR’s for lighting triggers and remote control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 (edited) Kitchen one shouldn't be a smoke, but there we go! As I say I have had these false alarm for no reason, repeatedly, after a certain age, though in one case after major building work (elsewhere in the property) even though they were removed for the worst of it and covered up for the rest. Have to be honest I have gone back to Eaton ones for now, also simplfies stock it's a 4 in 1 selected by switches on the unit. Edited July 24, 2019 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David N Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Thanks all, very helpful indeed. First step seems to be to replace the utility and kitchen sensors for new ones to see if we simply have an ageing sensor issue. We want to stick with Texecom for now so the the system remains integrated with the Control4 and the monitoring. Not trusting the installers particularly I want to tell them exactly what to do, so which of the Texecom sensors should we use please? https://www.texe.com/uk/products/range/fire-detectors/ Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, David N said: We want to stick with Texecom for now Again, sensors are merely units with a switch, unless of course, they are wireless ones, in which case you will need Texecom. Unlikely though as wireless ones don't have the blue ring... Do they look like the Exodus ones you linked to? If so your system will be compatible with Eaton, Texecom, Aico, Honeywell, ebay ( ) or any other brand of 12V smoke or heat detector. You DO NOT have to use Texecom detectors on a Texecom wired alarm system, whether it is connected to Control4 or not. But it will be up to your installer, they really should have known not to put a smoke in a kitchen, unless they do even less fire jobs than me... Even sparkies should know that though to be honest, it's made clear in every instruction leaflet I've ever seen. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) David, if it was me I would be installing the Eaton / cooper M12 (4 in 1 detector) - I have a couple at home and they haven't missed a beat I fitted a few texecom in the past and after a few years had false alarm issue... Edited July 25, 2019 by aissecur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 especially as you can alter the settings on the unit (it can be heat 60 deg / 77 deg / rate of rise & smoke) - I think ive got that right never the less they are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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