Telecom Security - BNIB find!

[datadiffusion]

Yep Elmdene are now merely a big warehouse importer. The original factory in Fratton was a short walk from my great aunts house and I remember seeing skip fulls of 'reject' mouldings!

 

1 hour ago, goncall said:

ADT bought modern 97 ish and a load of white hex with Adt modern were made(I’ve still got one somewhere)but not many were fitted, then thorn (tyco) bought Adt very soon after so the white hex got binned for a yellow hex with tam on it (thorn Adt modern) that never made it to press then it was decided to print the Adt logo on the yellow hex

you could put an external siren in the original telecom panels but you needed to fit an external psu and use the trigger from the panel 

 

Would love to find a BNIB Thorn, thats the one box I've never seen for sale on the bay, nor removed apart from one years ago that was an empty shell that had been battered with a hammer... Funny enough that was what would now be known as a 'pop up shop' that someone had tried to burgle so they decided to get an alarm after all (this is when I worked for the contracting firm). Nearly 20 years later the whole complex (ex factory) is still falling to bits but the new houses have never come and it's still full of small businesses. Christ I hope theyve replaced those disgusting shared bogs...

Edited July 27, 2019 by datadiffusion

[datadiffusion]

Just now, Logan said:

Scantronics headquarters  (now eaton security) is a 2 minute walk from my house 

 

I once misread the start time on a training course at said HQ (they no longer use it as a venue for training) and turned up a bit late. IIRC the building that they

occupy, formerly the Rank / Xerox factory, is one of the few nearly standalone bits, not connected to anything else.

 

It turned out that everyone else had been given a massive tour of all the upstairs rooms, where a lot of both the older 'junk' but also prototypes and test beds were.

There was also a tour through the remains of the factory and shed loads of NOS stock which I believe was ditched shortly afterwards when they had a big clear out.

The only bit I got to see was on the way to the canteen (since closed I believe, as is the old social club) when they took a short cut through some unoccupied blocks

and showed us the remains of a huge 300 zone ion test bed, bloke claimed 2k of wiring. I suppose that is only 20 reels.

 

Gutted? You could say that.

 

They now use Eaton Highbridge (of roof fall death fame, google fans) for any training that used to be at HQ

[datadiffusion]

Ah.

[datadiffusion]

I might have a go inbetween my next set of sodding nightshifts

[Jack b]

On 15/07/2019 at 21:13, datadiffusion said:

So you might have noticed back in the day a few Telecom Security boxes, the earlier ones of which had the famous post-81 British Telecom logo on.

 

https://burglaralarmbritain.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/telecom-security-southwark/

 

 

It seems they were bought by Modern Alarms but also seemed to be still around for a short time at least, by the time Modern themselves were rolled into ADT.

By the end they appeared to be using the same Galaxy systems as ADT, but with Telecom branding on the RKPs and the 'famous' coloured buttons for Police, Fire and Medical.

 

But what I've got hold of is one of the earlier, very definately not-available-in-shops Telecom alarms, brand new in it's box.

 

 

Note the BT logo but only on the inside. Very US looking, and would have had an external PSU and a keylock in the states too. However the

plug, rather than spur, connection is also very 'BT'. For some reason I'm assuming that these panels were never actually BS compliant, despite the

inferred police dispatch? Or did BT 'misuse' their ability to access 999 direct? It's certainly the only monitoring co. I've ever come across that will

call you an ambulance, other than specialist medical (non-security) monitoring? Note it can do up to 24 zones via expanders back when this was unheard of for

most panels especially a domestic aimed system.

 

This solves the 'mystery' of the Scantronic Telecom keypads being sold on eBay, I don't know what DSS stands for but I know that

Arrowhead* (see below) was a US company bought up by Scantronic Holdings in the early 90s. It went as badly as you can imagine and is pretty much

how Scanny fell into the hands of US buyers (Cooper) the first time round with Arrowhead (seemingly partially rebranded to Scantronic by then)

being essentially written off for pennies.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scantronic-Alarm-Control-LED-Keypad-Telecom-Security-Ref-9601/173941423825?hash=item287fb77ed1:g:a2EAAOSwQydcyxxN

 

In fact, take a look at the panel closely and you'll see a Scan Tronic label on one of the ICs. I'm impressed by that Siemens CPU too.

 

I don;t have a keyboard but this little bundle came with something I've never seen before on ebay - an Arrowhead programming keyboard!

 

It's just like the eBay link above, but with 3 LEDs not two, and 3 extra wires and a plug.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, there is no-where to plug it onto this unit.

 

So, for now the adventure stops.

 

Were these programmed remotely (as it was a monitored-only service) or only via the remote? I suppose it could have been done via a 2 digit RKP, after all the 9800 is.

 

Does anyone know anything about these....?

 

 

How large is that panel? I should be getting a telecom security box soon and if the panel isn't too large then i might look for one on ebay.

Edited August 21, 2020 by Jack b
stupid autocorrect

[kwc]

Programmed remote or with a keypad inlay card on site. Not much use to you really as mainly for remote monitor system. Bells not normally fitted except an internal sab speaker

[NoTimeToFly]

Hi

 

I have recently moved into a property in Scotland which seems to have one of these.

 

It was marketed as being non- operational and essentially isn’t. No control panel, PIRs or evidence of a system apart from a few old door contact switches on the conservatory and garage door, but, the main panel under the stairs as in this photo is present and is still clicking away, chirping and in the evenings sounds like a siren is being emitted. It’s not an actual  loud sound. It’s as if another house has an alarm activated a few streets away. It’s very quiet but I heard it almost straight away in the kitchen when moving in and thought it was one of the kids toys in a box somewhere.

 

The previous owner states it was de-activated c1995 when she moved into the house. But it’s clearly still plumbed in and chirping away.

 

What should I do with it?

 

 

[PeterJames]

36 minutes ago, NoTimeToFly said:

Hi

 

I have recently moved into a property in Scotland which seems to have one of these.

 

It was marketed as being non- operational and essentially isn’t. No control panel, PIRs or evidence of a system apart from a few old door contact switches on the conservatory and garage door, but, the main panel under the stairs as in this photo is present and is still clicking away, chirping and in the evenings sounds like a siren is being emitted. It’s not an actual  loud sound. It’s as if another house has an alarm activated a few streets away. It’s very quiet but I heard it almost straight away in the kitchen when moving in and thought it was one of the kids toys in a box somewhere.

 

The previous owner states it was de-activated c1995 when she moved into the house. But it’s clearly still plumbed in and chirping away.

 

What should I do with it?

 

 

Its a bit difficult to advise, if you,re brave you can remove the fuse in the spur to the right open the panel and dis the battery. But if there is an external sounder with a battery in it you may be opening a can of worms. That panel was installed pre bell timers so the external sounder could ring indefinitely. If your not so brave call an alarm company to decommission it properly or replace it with something suitable    

[al-yeti]

1 hour ago, PeterJames said:

Its a bit difficult to advise, if you,re brave you can remove the fuse in the spur to the right open the panel and dis the battery. But if there is an external sounder with a battery in it you may be opening a can of worms. That panel was installed pre bell timers so the external sounder could ring indefinitely. If your not so brave call an alarm company to decommission it properly or replace it with something suitable    

Weird how some bells will ring for days on there internal battery lol

[MrHappy]

22 hours ago, NoTimeToFly said:

I have recently moved into a property in Scotland

 

Looking at all the brown shoes....... unlike London your streets ain't paved with gold ??