Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) I've just installed a new HKC SW 10-70 panel. The keypad is giving a fault and alarm indication and beeping. I wired the power to my external bell the wrong way (printed wiring guide had + and - incorrectly reversed compared to actual PCB layout. Should have checked the connections I know, but I've only made this mistake a few times in a lifetime).Hopefully it hasn't fried the panel board/external bell. I've disconnected the bell and connected a 4k7 resistor between tamper return and SAAB hold. Anyway the panel won't accept the default engineer user code ###REMOVED### so that I can set it up/ see a log. It's giving me an "access denied". Any ideas, at least on the password? Edited June 20, 2019 by sixwheeledbeast No codes in posts please Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 reset the alarm by entering the user code and disarming the system you will be able to access the engineer menu after that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, PeterJames said: reset the alarm by entering the user code and disarming the system you will be able to access the engineer menu after that I tried that, but it won't accept the default user code. We can't put codes here, so lets say the default code is 0ABCD. I've tried 0ABCD and 00ABCD. The keypad waits as if it wants 6 digits, so I tried 0ABCDE, but that still didn't work. Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Did the default codes work before? I take it you didnt change the code? You could try recycling the power completely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 assuming as you say 0abcd then its not on default codes. But I only know the uk panels and they may have different defaults. I think they are printed on the pcb in the aerial area. if the code was correct it wouldn't wait for any more digits 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, PeterJames said: Did the default codes work before? I take it you didnt change the code? You could try recycling the power completely No, it's a brand new panel. Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Try recycling the power 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, james.wilson said: assuming as you say 0abcd then its not on default codes. But I only know the uk panels and they may have different defaults. I think they are printed on the pcb in the aerial area. if the code was correct it wouldn't wait for any more digits I'm working off a downloaded manual, so that's where I got the codes. I'll try some other combinations. Would the fault indication have been caused by the panel lid being open? (which was then latched?). Edited June 20, 2019 by Eugene's DIY Den Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: Would the fault indication have been caused by the panel lid being open? (which was then latched?). Yes any tampers you have open will indicate fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Try recycling the power I did that. Firstly removed the fuse and then the battery connection and reversed the process on startup. Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, james.wilson said: assuming as you say 0abcd then its not on default codes. But I only know the uk panels and they may have different defaults. I think they are printed on the pcb in the aerial area. if the code was correct it wouldn't wait for any more digits The default code has a 0 at the start so I'm not sure whether that's supposed to be the first digit of the code or they mean to use it as a prefix. In any case I've tried 0 + the code and 00. Edited June 20, 2019 by Eugene's DIY Den Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Ok, managed to "hack" it and fault has disappeared! Code was obvious and I won't get a job as a professional hacker! Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 0 is clear on this panel 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, james.wilson said: 0 is clear on this panel On my keypad, the "play/quit" button backs out of the menu. 0 prompts for a user code. Presumably quick codes can be configured in the engineer menu if I can figure out the code to get into it. Edited June 20, 2019 by Eugene's DIY Den Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) Quoted default engineer's code appears to work now since I cleared the fault by resetting the panel. Edited June 20, 2019 by Eugene's DIY Den Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specialist Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 All the information needed is in the Installer manual, one thing it says is that Engineer codes should not include the number 0. 1 Quote Customers Love us, Intruders Hate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 cant use 0 in code as its the clear button as a side note use 5 digit codes g2 as 9 available digits doesnt give 10000 differs 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, Specialist said: All the information needed is in the Installer manual, one thing it says is that Engineer codes should not include the number 0. Yes, discovered that. The 0 at the start of the default code on every page of the manual must be a misprint. Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 no its to make sure the code entry is clear. Always tell clients the code is 0xxxx then they cant cock up code entry 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 Ok, thanks guys for all the help. Hopefully the external sounder hasn't been damaged. 12 volts would have been placed on the -ve trigger by my **** up. Will check it tomorrow. Have notified HKC about their document error. Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 are you sure the doc is wrong? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene's DIY Den Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share Posted June 20, 2019 1 hour ago, james.wilson said: are you sure the doc is wrong? Possibly it may be referring to a Quantum panel or earlier edition of the SW 10-70 or just a generic diagram. Terminals have the same function and are in the same order as on my board, except the polarity legend is reversed for the external bell output. Quote Talking Tools, a Facebook group for discussing anything tool/DIY related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Eugene's DIY Den said: Possibly it may be referring to a Quantum panel or earlier edition of the SW 10-70 or just a generic diagram. Terminals have the same function and are in the same order as on my board, except the polarity legend is reversed for the external bell output. Post a Picture please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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