sixwheeledbeast Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Consider the security exploits found in these smart devices on a daily basis, then consider they are connected to your security system... Consumer grade boxes that plug into the internet shouldn't be trusted with the keys to your security systems, it proves a single point of failure. Security is about layers. CCTV stuff I fit is from trade only wholesalers. Being able to have a look at your house is of little use when your nowhere near site. Are you going to watch this app 24/7, or just show people down the pub? Good quality reliable and correctly installed CCTV can be nice to have, but not worth cutting the budget on the other security first is my point here. This is where a risk assessment done by someone knowledgable is worth it's salt. Any decent installer can look at the property and assess what you need, rather than just chuck tat boxes on the wall which serve at best as a mild deterrent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 7 hours ago, bob2611 said: A colleague said that Nest are about to release their wireless alarm system in 2019 in the UK. It's available in the US. I was thinking about this if it's released early enough or possibly have it imported. oh dear... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, MrHappy said: oh dear... Lol, it might work better than others , this might effect the sale of the pyronix enforcer to diyers............ What is a proper alarm anyway these days ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, al-yeti said: What is a proper alarm anyway these days ? fixed to the wall is a good start? 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 hours ago, MrHappy said: fixed to the wall is a good start? Old skool +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob2611 Posted December 16, 2018 Author Share Posted December 16, 2018 5 hours ago, al-yeti said: Lol, it might work better than others , this might effect the sale of the pyronix enforcer to diyers............ What is a proper alarm anyway these days ? do you reckon the pyronix enforcer is the best wireless option ? I accept the nest does look a little amateur but does tick alot of boxes including fobs and smart home integration. Do you need to buy cloud subscription to manage\view on the phone (as it uses a central server) ? Do you know how long the batteries last ? That's the thing that puts me off with these wireless systems. Having to get a ladder out every 3-6 months to replace the battery in the bell box or PIR's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, bob2611 said: do you reckon the pyronix enforcer is the best wireless option ? I accept the nest does look a little amateur but does tick alot of boxes including fobs and smart home integration. Do you need to buy cloud subscription to manage\view on the phone (as it uses a central server) ? Do you know how long the batteries last ? That's the thing that puts me off with these wireless systems. Having to get a ladder out every 3-6 months to replace the battery in the bell box or PIR's . Old rubbish yes , change batteries often Poor setup leads to wireless bells going off often resulting in bells needing batteries to often , although poorly trained users can do this to but less so Nest has also a paid for option atleast it does in the u.s and will have e that here to from what I know I think enforcer is best option for a fixed alarm system for diyers although the bell tamper gets everyone lol But eventually you may need an installer for the cloud side , they give end user support though from what I have seen Others here might be enforcer experts who know more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, bob2611 said: I accept the nest does look a little amateur but does tick alot of boxes including fobs and smart home integration. you live in a modern house ? Edited December 16, 2018 by MrHappy Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob2611 Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 On 16/12/2018 at 14:26, MrHappy said: you live in a modern house ? Hi Mr Happy, no. the house is a victorian semi detatched with high ceilings. I am quite IT savvy so I love having everything linked in to google home including my TV, sonos and lights. al-yeti, thank for the response. I will take a deeper look at the enforcer. Do you know if it will do wireless and wired. I am thinking to wire in the bell box and some pir's and do some wireless where cables are going to be difficult. It also sounds like I can add the wifi\internet portion on at a later date. Does that make sense or is it easier to program the alarm system from the app so buy and fit at the same time ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, bob2611 said: Hi Mr Happy, no. the house is a victorian semi detatched with high ceilings. I am quite IT savvy so I love having everything linked in to google home including my TV, sonos and lights. al-yeti, thank for the response. I will take a deeper look at the enforcer. Do you know if it will do wireless and wired. I am thinking to wire in the bell box and some pir's and do some wireless where cables are going to be difficult. It also sounds like I can add the wifi\internet portion on at a later date. Does that make sense or is it easier to program the alarm system from the app so buy and fit at the same time ? The bellbox can be powered but still wireless to the panel, most wireless systems can do this. The visonic Powermax has wiring for an external sounder as does the HKC Quantum, not sure about the Enforcer, Scantronic Ion, or the Texecom. But I guess they would all be the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, PeterJames said: The bellbox can be powered but still wireless to the panel, most wireless systems can do this. The visonic Powermax has wiring for an external sounder as does the HKC Quantum, not sure about the Enforcer, Scantronic Ion, or the Texecom. But I guess they would all be the same Enforcer has a card for wiring bell box Although not sure if a WiFi card and the bellbox card can both go in same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, al-yeti said: Enforcer has a card for wiring bell box Although not sure if a WiFi card and the bellbox card can both go in same time Do you mean that you can only have one or the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Do you mean that you can only have one or the other? Possibly , I remember something has to be done but then someone else said there was room for a csl mini somehow so there is some fiddling Especially when you flip the front off still not held together by much surprised they don't hinge the panel the Muppets Q70 better by far And texecom and scanny don't do a small all in one panel meaning newer version , do they? Edited December 21, 2018 by al-yeti Usual Brexit getting closer English not getting any better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Possibly , I remember something has to be done but then someone else said there was room for a csl mini somehow so there is some fiddling Especially when you flip the front off still not held together by much surprised they don't hinge the panel the Muppets Q70 better by far And texecom and scanny don't do a small all in one panel meaning newer version , do they? I thought the ion was a small one, not sure about the Texe I dont really do diy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, PeterJames said: I thought the ion was a small one, not sure about the Texe I dont really do diy No ion doesn't have built in keypad Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 36 minutes ago, al-yeti said: No ion doesn't have built in keypad Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, PeterJames said: not sure about the Texe I dont really do diy lol, everything is available DIY nowadays. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, MrHappy said: Cool never seen that before everyone's at it lol Except who? But the scanny looks like it's in Yale box don't you think? And it's not an ion is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob2611 Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 Thanks for advice guys. The Enforcer v10 is looking very good. I can add a card to make it wireless and wired and I have the phone app too. It even works with Hikvision, which makes me veer towards hikvision for the CCTV. Does anyone know if chinese hikvision on aliexpress work with the enforcer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 45 minutes ago, bob2611 said: Thanks for advice guys. The Enforcer v10 is looking very good. I can add a card to make it wireless and wired and I have the phone app too. It even works with Hikvision, which makes me veer towards hikvision for the CCTV. Does anyone know if chinese hikvision on aliexpress work with the enforcer ? Swerve aliexpress Hikvision, none of it is Hik its a poor copy of the Hik Codec. You would be far better off buying the DIY version of Hikvision (Think its called HiVision) at least you will get a quality product. Trust me I buy a lot from China its taken me quite a while several years of visiting factories to find decent suppliers 95% of them are rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 16 hours ago, PeterJames said: Swerve aliexpress Hikvision, none of it is Hik its a poor copy of the Hik Codec. You would be far better off buying the DIY version of Hikvision (Think its called HiVision) at least you will get a quality product. Trust me I buy a lot from China its taken me quite a while several years of visiting factories to find decent suppliers 95% of them are rubbish. Hiwatch by hikvision What you will be upgrading to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 1 hour ago, al-yeti said: Hiwatch by hikvision What you will be upgrading to We are still using Milestone at our top end and we have started to use Dahua at our bottom end, though we are still importing some CCTV from Latvia, the US, and China, but not so much nowadays its a pain sending the stuff back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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