Vini Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) Voice activation isn’t smart, it’s lazy. Having lights come on based on presence detection etc, is smart. The problem is, today’s consumer market seems to be dominated by Alexa, the dumb bint :p From reading the link in the opening post, it seems the theory behind Iris was ok, but ... the problem is, there’s still a lot of back end logic required at this moment in time. No system is pick up and plug and play I’m forever tweaking my OpenHAB config. And that right there is the problem, I can count on one hand how many of my friends would tolerate/have the patience to run an OpenHAB system or similar. Yet every many and his dog could program Alexa to switch a light on. Edited December 24, 2018 by Vini 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Lazy is what smart is all about, presence detection saves you walking to the light switch. Not having to get up to close my curtains switch the lights or tv on is useful and smart. My curtains are on a timer, but the tv and lights wouldnt switch on without my presence, but they wont switch on just because of my presence either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted December 24, 2018 Author Share Posted December 24, 2018 I fail to see the difference between a remote and app for controlling the TV. In fact I would say it's more convenient to have an IR remote that can stay in the room and not have to jump through account registration, privacy policy and biometrics tripe to setup a new TV. As for the lights, I see point in having different themes and modes for a large house so something like Lutron makes sense. In reality you need lights for occupancy and lights for presence either of these can be done without a Smart app as I posted above. In using OpenHAB you have no concerns of privacy leakage via third parties, I would say that's worth the setup time, I agree that many of the public would disagree however that's up to them. It's supply and demand with these smart devices, if Amazon/Google/Whoever make a product that is easy and anyone can use, then that is a larger consumer base to obtain and sell analytical data from. This allows them to make new product to keep demand thriving. Lazy is the wrong way to look at it IMO. Automation should be a network suite of tools for efficiency, not the height of laziness. At this point the term "smart-*" is far from smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Vini said: Voice activation isn’t smart, it’s lazy. Having lights come on based on presence detection etc, is smart. What if I'm present and don't want my lights to come on? Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, norman said: What if I'm present and don't want my lights to come on? Thats alright because I didnt get you a present Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vini Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, norman said: What if I'm present and don't want my lights to come on? Don't solely utilise presence detection... I have a combination of lux, motion and presence configured in rules to best try and work out the desired effect. if lux < 200, and time of day is between 7am and 10pm, and my phone is detected within the house, then the lights will come on. If my phone is not detected as being home when the rule is triggered, then it assumes im not home and the lights dont come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Vini said: Don't solely utilise presence detection... I have a combination of lux, motion and presence configured in rules to best try and work out the desired effect. if lux < 200, and time of day is between 7am and 10pm, and my phone is detected within the house, then the lights will come on. If my phone is not detected as being home when the rule is triggered, then it assumes im not home and the lights dont come on. I have a light switch, its much less ******* about Edited December 24, 2018 by MrHappy sweary Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Vini said: Don't solely utilise presence detection... I have a combination of lux, motion and presence configured in rules to best try and work out the desired effect. if lux < 200, and time of day is between 7am and 10pm, and my phone is detected within the house, then the lights will come on. If my phone is not detected as being home when the rule is triggered, then it assumes im not home and the lights dont come on. Doesn't answer my question though. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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