james.wilson Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 You could yes or there is usually a spacer in the fixing kit Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Thanks James. For the spacer do you mean the magnet fixed into a plate which is longer/wider than the magnet, allowing you to fix through it around the edges? Edit, just found this: Edited September 10, 2019 by Driller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Why would you want a surface magent on a new ( I assume) steel door ? Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 Well the purpose of the maglock is for easy staff entry and exit. Your question suggests I've made some sort of error though. Maybe I should have specified an integrated system at purchase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 I would have purchased a door with locking system built into it ? Steel door sets are normally a fire doors, or is you premises nr the local crack den ? Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Is a maglock secure enough for your steel door? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 1 hour ago, MrHappy said: Steel door sets are normally a fire doors, or is you premises nr the local crack den ? This is Bath old chap, even the homeless gentlemen of the road won't lower themselves any further than Bells blended Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, james.wilson said: Is a maglock secure enough for your steel door? As long as it's not the only form/primary form of securing... Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, MrHappy said: Steel door sets are normally a fire doors, or is you premises nr the local crack den ? 1 hour ago, datadiffusion said: This is Bath old chap, even the homeless gentlemen of the road won't lower themselves any further than Bells blended I should come here more often! There is a built in mortice lock system with shoot bolts all around plus dog bolts. This will be used to secure the door after closing time. I thought it would be nice to have a mag lock during opening hours to allow staff to come and go with just a blip on a badge reader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 If you can choose a time of day when the sun isn't sun glaring of your shiny fall pipes.... Take pic of the door you wish to secure, (both sides) I'm happy to offer expert advice find some thing else to take the piss out of... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 Pics? I'm not falling for that you know It's a heavy duty steel security door from these guys: https://www.lathamssteeldoors.co.uk/ (maybe you know them?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, Driller said: Pics? I'm not falling for that you know but there's always a trap, doors appear to be made to no recognised standard, apart for the option of a kitemarked euro cylinder ? sort of thing often found on a porta unit... your mag lock will reduce the head of the door & should be in transom if you've not purchased the door & frame, an alloy door with a sash lock & deadlock factory fitted would be my preference Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, MrHappy said: but there's always a trap, Starting to get that after, what, 12 years? 1 hour ago, MrHappy said: your mag lock will reduce the head of the door & should be in transom Didn't think of that, thank you, I'm 6'3" so will look at that carefully. If it didn't interfere with the shoot bolt system, it could maybe go at the top of the jamb... Door is all installed BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 a yale / cisa latch (you will need to fit the lock cylinder if its he only entrance) or a surface solenoid bolt is what I probably look to do. Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, MrHappy said: a yale / cisa latch (you will need to fit the lock cylinder if its he only entrance) or a surface solenoid bolt is what I probably look to do. Fail secure door release jobby? Keep it simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Fellas, can you confirm that the armature fixing bolt needs to go all the way through the door leaf and out the other side? Logically with the pulling forces involved I guess it must do but I never considered having a bolt head on the external side so it seems odd. On the other hand I cant imagine sourcing an 8mm self cutting screw and holding it on with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 59 minutes ago, Driller said: Fellas, can you confirm that the armature fixing bolt needs to go all the way through the door leaf and out the other side? Logically with the pulling forces involved I guess it must do but I never considered having a bolt head on the external side so it seems odd. On the other hand I cant imagine sourcing an 8mm self cutting screw and holding it on with that. Straight through to next door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 I'll make sure they move the telly away from the wall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Sometimes when I come here and ask questions, it reminds me of being at work. It's like pulling teeth. I'm here all week, the veal is reconstituted from Norway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 should go all the way through, should be a 'coach' type bolt so cant easily be removed. If thats a risk use a different type of lock Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Driller said: Sometimes when I come here and ask questions, it reminds me of being at work. If your taking about sex nuts in the surgery expect a tribunal ..... Sexnuts- A long female connector with a domed head on the outside of the door, which takes the set screw that holds the plate on. This the std fixing which is in carboard box with the maglock However you can buy an optional plate housing to avoid having a dome fasting on the door Edited November 20, 2019 by MrHappy Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 Describes my assistant to a T Don't know about the domed head though Now going to decide whether to put it through the door or get an armature housing or even tap a hole as just found out there's a reinforcing plate in the door on the inside. But there's a more important problem. All credit to you blokes for what you do-this is not easy and I've been buggering around with it for most of the day and I've got literally nothing done. Unfortunately due to the size of the transom, I'm in a no-man's land whereby I can't directly mount the magnet as the line of holes on the opposite side of the mounting bracket to the door leaf are right on the edge of the transom but if I use an L bracket the magnet is about an inch away from the armature. So I'm going to have to order an adjustable Lbracket (I think) and that's the day wasted. You live and learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 ADJ-600L it is then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Driller said: I'm here all week, the veal is reconstituted from Norway. Do you perhaps also just want to say hi to a couple of folks who've come all the way from Radstock? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driller Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 lol Ah Radstock, center of the universe! I hadn't noticed your Somerset reference DD. Joking aside, I still spend most of my time in France and the one thing I always yearn for is the Somerset countryside. You may recognise this: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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