Mark Rider Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Fitted my alarm , now want to fit a smoke/heat sensor What's people views on them it will be in a hallway of a bungalow so what's best smoke or hear sensor and any recommendations of make. Thanks Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Proper fire alarm? Mains interconnected Otherwise texecom multi are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 No just add on sensor for my pyronix euro 46 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 So you looked at the texecom multi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Just be wary if you have a bathroom in close proximity of the proposed location for the detector as the steam can cause some detectors to trigger I rate the cooper / Menvier M12 detectors as they can be changed from smoke to heat or a combination unit with dip switches inside they can do any of the following combinations:- Optical Optical & rate of rise Rate of rise Fixed Temperature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 Thanks both. I will have a look at the texe and the Menvier sensors. I put it by the bed rooms rather than bathroom/kitchen end Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 (edited) I tried the M12's once; the older model (forget the code) was fine, had a load of FA's on a M12 set to heat-only, which never really was satisfactorily resolved; just to add into the mix the panel itself was changed due to odd behaviour for a completely different make. It was expansion bus related, and this sensor was direct on the panel, but who knows, it put me off them sadly. I would better take advice from someone that has fitted lots of M12's though. However, I have fitted a few Texecom ones and are usually fine, had a bit of a 'bad run' with them (2-3 from the same era, so presumably the same batch) but installed many before and since without issues. Edited September 16, 2017 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Bad run was cos you couldn't fit them admit it I was tempted with M12 until you wrote this , will stick to texe they don't need firmware so all good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 Proper fire alarms have fire resistant cables, sounders will sound during a fire 240v smoke detectors have a battery in each one should sound until damaged by fire 12v alarm smoke detectors have no sounders & alarm cables burn Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Now that is a good point right there. Never thought of it that way . And that has changed my mind now. 240v detector it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 16, 2017 Share Posted September 16, 2017 'Intruder fire' can be safe - and an approved method - but for full acceptance needs a lot more expenditure i.e power backup++ over and above what most panels can supply on-board. Agreed with H for DIY (ironically) 'mains' is best. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted September 16, 2017 Author Share Posted September 16, 2017 Thanks for all the info chaps been helpful Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 There is an exception to that, aico ei186 has battery back up and an internal sounder so would be fully functional even with melted wiring, but if you have interlinked mains already just fit a relay base to one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) Wasn't aware of that product, and I thought I knew the entire Aico range! I knew they did 12v and even 9v battery interlinked models but not in the modern style case like this. Well, was modern until the very newest style mains case. Edited September 25, 2017 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 (edited) They are very popular on warden call sites to trigger fire alert through the call system, and trigger gas shutoff valves or kitchen ring/cooker contactors in shelterd housing or disability adaptions. Edited September 25, 2017 by petrolhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rulland Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 As above, fitted Aico 350's, 414's and then smokes and co's, with radio bases and or relay bases, the 414 fired two Tunstall roms which were hooked up to the warden call, thus signalling fire or carbon monoxide, this would impact on what emergency services, etc would be notified if no reply from the property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 I agree a mains interlinked smoke alarm would be a better all round solution, I've fitted countless aico smoke detectors had very few issues and really rate them... The other point to consider is if you get any false alarms from one linked to your intruder alarm then your external bell is also likely to sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 We use the coopers M12 and fit remote sounders and an Expander PSU - along with Ion 40H remote access to sys tem with coms works very well and quick and easy to identifie fault/fire alarm not always so easy on the mains operated ones 1 Quote www.AllanMoncrieffAlarms.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBrad Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 We usually use the M12's and have not had any issues. I also have had them at home for about 3.5 years and have been trouble free. They are also one of the better looking detectors too in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 20 hours ago, SouthernBrad said: We usually use the M12's and have not had any issues. I also have had them at home for about 3.5 years and have been trouble free. They are also one of the better looking detectors too in my opinion. I agree, I think they are the most pleasing on the eye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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