CR Alarms Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Hi all I install a few alarm systems here and there and was wondering what the best internal sounder to use is? The equipment I use is mainly scantronic with aritech or risco pirs, The bellboxes I use are either flashguards or the novagard 2. What internal speaker should I use though? I was thinking of using the elmdene or the cqr soint 1 but unsure. The panels I use need at least one 16 ohm speaker connected. So what 16 ohm internal speaker would be the loudest and most reliable to use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 They are all the same thing not much that can go wrong with them, pick the one you like the look of, if choice is your thing, many dont bother choosing and ask for the cheapest. Welcome to the 4rum btw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 Thanks very much, I think I'll go for the soint 1 in that case as that unit looks the best and not too out of place, Thanks for the warm welcome :~) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 Sorry just so I get this right, whichever 16 ohm speaker I use whether its elmdene,CQR or any 16 ohm speaker the alarm volume decibels will be exactly same and the wattage has no relevance whatsoever, The speaker will be as loud as what ever the panel amplifier drives through it?. So my job is to just make sure I match the impedance with the panel in my case 16 ohm. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 That's right no noticeable difference, If you want something deafening loud then use an internal sounder as well as the speaker. The speaker is really there for entry exit noise, chime and warning noises, depending on the panel some will make the internal alarm sound but not to the extent of making your ears bleed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 the volume is dictated by the wattage of the driver in the panel and speaker efficiency id of thought all of the actual spks are about the same Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted October 29, 2016 Author Share Posted October 29, 2016 Thanks for clearing that up much appreciated. I suppose the nice klaxon 127db master motor siren wouldn't go a miss on some installs I can hide it somewhere discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Crumbs I wouldnt want that as internal sounder, Smoke cloak is the thing to use if you really want to never get burgled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 On confirmed I hope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDT Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 10 minutes ago, al-yeti said: On confirmed I hope Where would the fun be with that, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny May Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Hi... elmdene are the most reliable we have used them for 8+ years with none faulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Other old lags may laugh, but despite the fact we use Siemens DTs, Elmdene flush contacts, insist in copper cable, when it comes to speaker we use... ...Lynteck http://www.lynteck.co.uk/products/intruder/sounders/LY07-009-37.php They are very flat, large enough to cover old sounder holes (with plenty of screw holes) and because they are so small, the actual speaker element is the sort of 'potted' type you get in a mobile phone, with a thick black cone and much better than the usual mylar ones. Customers like them as they don't look like something from a cold war era Gardiner catalogue and best of all are matte so take paint well... Edited November 16, 2016 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lymebayalarms Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 6 hours ago, datadiffusion said: Other old lags may laugh, but despite the fact we use Siemens DTs, Elmdene flush contacts, insist in copper cable, when it comes to speaker we use... ...Lynteck http://www.lynteck.co.uk/products/intruder/sounders/LY07-009-37.php They are very flat, large enough to cover old sounder holes (with plenty of screw holes) and because they are so small, the actual speaker element is the sort of 'potted' type you get in a mobile phone, with a thick black cone and much better than the usual mylar ones. Customers like them as they don't look like something from a cold war era Gardiner catalogue and best of all are matte so take paint well... Tidy looking unit, what's the cost roughly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) Pricing is in public being Lynteck so I see no issue with naming... http://cpc.farnell.com/lynteck/ly07-009-37/extension-speaker/dp/SR04341?ost=lynteck+speaker&selectedCategoryId=&categoryNameResp=All%2BCategories&searchView=table&iscrfnonsku=false Not as cheap as you'd expect tbh, although often half price if you buy ten with a 'tat mag code'. There is an otherwise empty PCB inside; they also do a siren version but I suspect their supplier also does tampered. (I should have said all my installations are done to Grade 2/2X so lack of tamper not an issue) Edited November 16, 2016 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 That round thing looks messed up lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Data, I assumed "tat mag" discount ! Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 Yep I just wait until it comes around! Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike27 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Our G3 'Soapdish' speaker is a perennial favourite, presumably for its sleek lines and unobtrusive aesthetics http://www.knightfireandsecurity.com/view_item.asp?id=46 Quote http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=74794063 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Have tried it - and stock it - great in certain situations but not so good at a cover-up! Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I liked the MASSIVE gardtec speakers & internal sab's If fact stuff keeps changing & getting worse, think dopey sounders with all the fixing points with little discs that spin around.... I love hunting high & low in garden in the pi$$ing rain to find the ones thats pinged off 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) I found a BNIB massive Gardtec speaker when I cleared out the old stores. I'd brought it from Bath where I would have kept, er, spare like from van stock working for the firm in the late 90s. It then sat in the new stores for 12 months. It then moved to my (and hopefully this is my last move ever) new home workshop / stores. Finally fitted it in a barn alarm job last month Edited November 21, 2016 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny May Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 They look good, but horrible to imstall... the lids are flimsy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spike27 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 14 hours ago, Danny May said: They look good, but horrible to imstall... the lids are flimsy! Have you tried them recently? We strengthened the lid clips and slots after negative feedback around 12 mths ago so you should see an improvement. Edited November 22, 2016 by spike27 Quote http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=74794063 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) Hi all. Yes I was just messing about the masterblaster way too overkill for a domestic house I think. I had a play around with the internal speakers trying out different brands and out of all them the elmdene speaker was definitely the loudest by a long shot, So elmdene speakers it is for me. The sonit1 speaker volume was very unsatisfactory it wouldn't even scare away a cat let alone the burglar he would probably just laugh at it and carry on robbing the house,however when I tried the elmdene speaker that just about took my ears off I wouldn't want to be in the same room as it, very good sound distribution around the house. Thanks. Edited November 26, 2016 by CR Alarms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 saw these on SW the other day- http://www.elmdene.co.uk/Flush-Extension-Speakers-EXTSP.html 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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