sixwheeledbeast Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, ElecTech said: Is it me or is HIK vision way overhyped? I've never used it before until yesterday & I'd say it looks cheap & nasty which runs in like with what they paid for it so no arguments on that point but I don't think this product is suitable for "any application". It has a market don't get me wrong but I don't think it warrants the wankfest some people make out... Fully agree, I have said it before. Devaluing the industry and being beta testers for consumer kit. Edited January 17, 2017 by sixwheeledbeast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 15 hours ago, westy1 said: In my experience a copy is just a unit produced by the manufacturer but without the branding. There are not many genuine manufacturers of CCTV equipment in China but often the same product is distrubuted with a different brand stitched to the unit or no brand at all. Ive been to China and seen how they operate a copy is exactly that, a copy. Not an original in an unbranded case. Though the case may be the same, and in some cases it may have a Hik chip it will not have the same quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 hours ago, ElecTech said: Is it me or is HIK vision way overhyped? I've never used it before until yesterday & I'd say it looks cheap & nasty which runs in like with what they paid for it so no arguments on that point but I don't think this product is suitable for "any application". It has a market don't get me wrong but I don't think it warrants the wankfest some people make out... Compared to the proper stuff it is crup atm, but it is good value for money crup and the ANPR system cannot be beaten on price nothing comes close. My Hybrid NVR/DVR cost me three times as much to produce than a 16 way Hik, my DVR/NVR is a far easier recorder to operate, search, has more features, and I can integrate the CCTV with most things, and I have better analytics. But it wont be long before Hik catch up, its only really taken them 5 years to get here, think what they will be doing in 5 years time. Sad really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElecTech Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Let's just hope the better competitors can do as much in 5 years to advance even further, I doubt it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Well uniview is catching up, might end up being just as good as any other Chinese gear lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy1 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, PeterJames said: Ive been to China and seen how they operate a copy is exactly that, a copy. Not an original in an unbranded case. Though the case may be the same, and in some cases it may have a Hik chip it will not have the same quality. I appreciate that there will be firms copying branded units and using poor quality motherboards but as you have been to China and seen how the manufacturers work you will appreciate they are also producing products for distributors that brand them with their own name .i.e same DVR, NVR, cameras different brand. Edited January 17, 2017 by westy1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, westy1 said: I appreciate that there will be firms copying branded units and using poor quality motherboards but as you have been to China and seen how the manufacturers work you will appreciate they are also producing products for distributors that brand them with their own name .i.e same DVR, NVR, cameras different brand. It really isnt like that, its more down to sony, hik, ect selling their rejected chips ect, and they are reused to make cameras. Most of the cameras China sell are assembled to order not manufactured to order, it really is a case of you get what you pay for because there are variants of grade of rejects from good to poor, and the cheaper the camera the cheaper the chip they used. Many of the recorders are the same firmware but I've never found Dahua or Hik re-branded, I buy Seetong as a budget recorder. When Goolink was changed to look exactly the same as the Hik mobile software four weeks later it was back to its original design. Even the mobile phones in China are not what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, PeterJames said: I buy Seetong as a budget recorder. When Goolink Sorry but I've just spat out my tea. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 iirc the chipsets are sold on a country basis. Japan keeps the best, then south Korea, china then probably north lol Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 9 hours ago, PeterJames said: It really isnt like that, its more down to sony, hik, ect selling their rejected chips ect, and they are reused to make cameras. Most of the cameras China sell are assembled to order not manufactured to order, it really is a case of you get what you pay for because there are variants of grade of rejects from good to poor, and the cheaper the camera the cheaper the chip they used. Many of the recorders are the same firmware but I've never found Dahua or Hik re-branded, I buy Seetong as a budget recorder. When Goolink was changed to look exactly the same as the Hik mobile software four weeks later it was back to its original design. Even the mobile phones in China are not what you think. Fitted a few HIK rebrands over the years there is atleast one out there with the same firmware tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 There still could be quality issues even with the "same" firmware. The firmware just like the hardware could have been RE'd and loading official firmware may cause buggy behaviour. There are copies of all sorts of electronic stuff, sometimes they're so convincing you only find out when it goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 11 hours ago, norman said: Sorry but I've just spat out my tea. LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven_W Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 After installing kit from various manufacturers from various suppliers over the years, about 2 years ago we went exclusively with Hik kit supplied by Dynamic CCTV. I also have installed OEM kit with possibly the same but unbranded firmware. It may be cheaper, but the problem is post install support. 18 months after install when end user loses their login details and needs a reset, you won't be able to quote a serial number to the wholesaler to get a reset, you'll have to swap out the DVR. I find Hik as reliable as anything else out there, it has a 3 year manufacturers warranty, so even after your own 1 year warranty you can refer the end user to the manufacturer, or charge for a recall but swap kit out for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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