james.wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 do you think insurers, end users or installers will be concerned with your findings? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Insurers, end users no. Installers, maybe Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 id of thought insurers and installers would be. end users less so as they are relying on someones insurance. their own or the installers Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Insurers in the whole don't have a clue. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 agreed Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybergibbons Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 The problem in that respect is, where does the liability fall? A lot of installers see that a product has been third-party tested, and you'll assume it's good. I'd wager that a lot of those installers don't realise that a large part of the standard is self-declared i.e. it's essentially worthless. The insurers are similar. They've taken it on trust that the products comply with the standard. Most end-users view the alarm and signalling as a grudge purchase. They don't care - unless they have a large estate of property they want to protect. That's why some of the bigger customers have had pen-tests done on systems. After today though, it seems a number of insurers are going to start asking questions around signalling. Quote I have a blog, some of which is about alarm security and reverse engineering:http://cybergibbons.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Insurers in the whole don't have a clue.Bag and cat spring to mind though. Things might and should change. As an end user I'd be livid with the findings too. Having said that, I'm not an end user of said equipment and I'm not surprised with what CG has released. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 i know as an approved installer any approval falls onto them on all kit installed. ie your nsi cert makes you liable for all approvals, assuming what you fitted is compliant at the very least puts that compliance claim back on the installer Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSTER Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Does anyone know if any Dualcoms have ever been compromised? Quote Any comments / opinions posted are my opinion only and do not represent those of my employer or Company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 no i personally dont. But would you fit another knowing the above? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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