SentryAlertSystems Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Discussion on a FB group at the moment. It's a closed group but no questions are asked when signing up. Someone asked the question wether it was right or not for people to be sharing out engineer codes as freely as has been happening. Seems to be some mixed responses. I know my opinion, just want to get people's responses on here. What is the legality involved in a group like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy82 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Discussion on a FB group at the moment. It's a closed group but no questions are asked when signing up. Someone asked the question wether it was right or not for people to be sharing out engineer codes as freely as has been happening. Seems to be some mixed responses. I know my opinion, just want to get people's responses on here. What is the legality involved in a group like that? What's the name of the group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentryAlertSystems Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 Is an electricians group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 We dont share them here, sort of tells you what should be happening. Most companies are looking for ways to protect themselves by using site specific engineer codes and code of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satsuma01 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 dont share engineer codes from my end either its meant to be a security device not a free for all. Quote "If you carry your childhood with you, you never become old. Why rush to end life when happiness is in the blissfulness of childhood innocence.""We all die, the goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will." 07475071344 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I dont see why most would be interested a takover should be defaulted unless its used to reset acpo systems Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentryAlertSystems Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 If you were the owner of a national company say and your code was being dished around publicly on a Facebook group, what would your response be?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 I dont see why most would be interested a takover should be defaulted aye like that happens,ok on a corner shop try doing it on a big warehouse with all that goes with it,maint money gone in a few call backs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 If you were the owner of a national company say and your code was being dished around publicly on a Facebook group, what would your response be?? I'd roll a Cuban on my hoe's thigh and laugh. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentryAlertSystems Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 I'd roll a Cuban on my hoe's thigh and laugh. Fair point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 aye like that happens,ok on a corner shop try doing it on a big warehouse with all that goes with it,maint money gone in a few call backs still wouldnt not default it Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie6 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) It should be in the initial contract that at the termination of that contract the company shall default the engineer code. I know of a few installers who insert that clause. At the end of the day, a customer has bought a product. It belongs to the customer and there should be no 'unfair contract clause'. On the other hand, if the contract stipulates that a customer, on cessation of the contract should pay a nominal sum for default, then so be it. Engineer codes are essentially the private property (in a sense) of the company and should not be divulged. However there is a very fine line (only determined by the intentions of the parties)as to defaulting... Edited July 22, 2015 by charlie6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 still wouldnt not default it why you have the code,you can look at prog and rewrite spec,as opposed to crash a panel with no spec you dont know users or set up,fine on 6 zones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentryAlertSystems Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 aye like that happens,ok on a corner shop try doing it on a big warehouse with all that goes with it,maint money gone in a few call backs I used to enjoy pulling a system apart and starting from scratch on take overs. Takes a fraction of the time if there are two of you though and half a day to do it thoroughly, which you don't often get anymore. I was the only engineer in the company at first so it made sense to know every system inside out. Rarely touch alarms now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 why you have the code,you can look at prog and rewrite spec,as opposed to crash a panel with no spec you dont know users or set up,fine on 6 zones id still default wouldnt trust the outgoing firm as being any good, thats probably why its a takeover. Im sure you have seen spared of circuits on yours. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SentryAlertSystems Posted July 22, 2015 Author Share Posted July 22, 2015 Literally tamper every device one at a time too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 id still default wouldnt trust the outgoing firm as being any good, thats probably why its a takeover. Im sure you have seen spared of circuits on yours. the opposite,if its spare and no paperwork put it back in and see what happens,sick of the what do you mean its not on it should be question from a customer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 im sure we have both done takovers where the customer had no idea a lot of it was spared off sick off? the customer is aware?, not usually Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 im sure we have both done takovers where the customer had no idea a lot of it was spared off sick off? the customer is aware?, not usually ive spent days and weeks in one case doing a takeover when crashing was the only option,much rather have a eng code to see what is what first rather than crash for crash sake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 ive spent days and weeks in one case doing a takeover when crashing was the only option,much rather have a eng code to see what is what first rather than crash for crash sake disagree id crash and start from scratch Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 disagree id crash and start from scratch like i said fine on a corner shop, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie6 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 It's a bit of 'swings and roundabouts' really. There are occasions when there is no other option but to crash, and others where it is probably easier to find out roughly what the system is 'all about'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbz Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 We rarely crash systems on takeovers unless really necessary. Codes and tags being main issue and time allowed. We do fully test system and document spared out zones and advise customer of findings. Usually if they're unaware of zone programmed out were put it on test for a week and see what happens. Any faults found are usually chargeable to put right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyGuy Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Once a code is programmed into a system, you have no control over who can read it (used panels on ebay etc). Hopefully you do not use common codes across all your accounts!!! If every account eng code is specific to the account, it would then be easier to trace the person leaking sensitive company information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 23, 2015 Share Posted July 23, 2015 Once a code is programmed into a system, you have no control over who can read it (used panels on ebay etc). Hopefully you do not use common codes across all your accounts!!! If every account eng code is specific to the account, it would then be easier to trace the person leaking sensitive company information. How many codes you decyphered so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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