SparkyUK Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Hi guys, I've just received a bunch of these units for a job and wondered, can you learn the Ricochet devices before going on site? I am aware that the system wants you to learn each device, starting with the closest device to the panel first. However, if I configure these at the office in that way, set all the zones and routes, then the install should be quicker. I've already done a site survey so am aware of where each sensor will be situated but wondered if while the devices are learning what routes they can take, if this would be a hinderance, rather than a time-saver, when I install it all. It's not a big deal if it shouldn't be done this way, but wondered what the issues would be (if any), of powering it all down and shipping on site, to power it back up again. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No reason why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I thought they needed to know the install layout to work out the mesh, that can only be done once in situ? dont use it so dont know the detail i could be way off Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyUK Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 That was my concern, although I wasn't sure if the learning process would be part of the routing setup or if the devices constantly learnt their route back to the panel. The manual states to learn them before you install them in their final position, and then you leave them for 20 minutes to setup the route. If I cannot learn them and code them up before going on site (and the device then learning it's route) then I'll just wait until on site to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I don't use the gear either but I'd just learn it on site once fitted. From what others have said in the past if the stuff isn't learnt properly it causes faults and can be a nightmare , you could end up causing yourself more greif by trying to do it before hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breff Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) No problem, just make sure they are walk tested when in final positions. A walk test puts them back into the system properly after a downpower. Edited April 15, 2015 by breff Quote The opinions I express are mine and are usually correct! (Except when I'm wrong)(which I'm not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyUK Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 So I can configure the system, code up the zones and users and then power down and take on site. Once installed into their positions a walk test will allow the mesh to establish? I would obviously observe the learning in order (for where they will be situated). How long can they be powered down for? It may be a couple of days between each install. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 As above, you enroll them at the keypad anyway, it won't know if this is on site or in the office, but personally i'd do it on site. Quote I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSE Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 We never learn anything on-site, all done pre-install All of our Ricochet systems are pre-configured at the office to the design spec in advance Arrive on site, install it as usual, Pop it in commission mode for half hour or so, Walk test it and away you go. Sort your paperwork out and jobs a good one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyUK Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) We never learn anything on-site, all done pre-install All of our Ricochet systems are pre-configured at the office to the design spec in advance Arrive on site, install it as usual, Pop it in commission mode for half hour or so, Walk test it and away you go. Sort your paperwork out and jobs a good one This is what I was thinking. I've done the site survey already, have planned the install, so thought I could in effect build the system up before I go. Then power down and ship out the kit to be sited. I think my concern was wondering if the 15/20 mins you're meant to leave the network to establish would mean the devices would learn their hop-route and that was that, which obviously configuring at the office would be a different mesh to what was onsite. If I can configure and then put into commission mode/walk test then I'll go with that. The PIRs mention if they're powered down for longer than an hour, they could take up to two hours to come back online - would throwing a tamper on each device force it to re-communicate with the panel quicker? Edited April 15, 2015 by SparkyUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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