Leigh Graham Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hello Everyone, I'm really looking for some help in the vast world of security systems that I know nothing about! Could anyone offer any advice on the below 3 quotations received for a security system to be installed and on whether they're reliable and recommended systems. The property is a residential 4 bedroom house that is occupied through the week, one outbuilding to be protected and an option to arm 2 bedrooms if not occupied. The installers I believe opted for a sensor on the landing rather than 2 in the separate rooms. Regarding price I don't really have a budget but don't want to go for something above what is required for a residential property. I am also looking for a good system that isn't in danger of being left behind by the latest technology. I have decided on a wireless system as the property has just been decorated. I would assume that the installer of the system is key to the results so any recommendations on that would be great also! Having researched the below systems I received quotations for the reviews are mainly positive so I don't have many issues there, are these reliable systems? Regarding the Enforcer the control panel it looks very dated, I was hoping for something that looked a bit more modern but I don't want modern over reliability! Also the installer mentioned something regarding a 2-way system in regard to the enforcer? I have received 3 quotations from installers in my area, I left the installers to complete their own quotations based on their thoughts (rather than give them a spec) they were as follows: Visonic Wireless System (not entirely sure which one) - 4 PIRS & Door Contact Supply & Install 520 - Unsure on maintenance, waiting for info. Visonic Powermax - 8 PIRS & Door Contact Supply & Install 518.75 - 12 months guarantee / 35 per year maintenance. Pyronix Enforcer - 5 PIRS & 2 Door Contacts Supply & Install 560 - 12 months guarantee / 60 per year maintenance. What are your thoughts on the above, I would welcome anyone input. Thanks in advance Leigh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 The property is a residential 4 bedroom house Regarding price I don't really have a budget Visonic Wireless System (not entirely sure which one) - 4 PIRS & Door Contact Supply & Install 520 - Unsure on maintenance, waiting for info. Visonic Powermax - 8 PIRS & Door Contact Supply & Install 518.75 - 12 months guarantee / 35 per year maintenance. Pyronix Enforcer - 5 PIRS & 2 Door Contacts Supply & Install 560 - 12 months guarantee / 60 per year maintenance. What are your thoughts on the above, I would welcome anyone input. Before we get too stuck in, what if we told you the a decent system for a house that size should probably be twice all those prices? Any company charging £35 a year, you would have to ask are you actually getting anything for that, if you are, can you be sure it is worth having, and can you be sure that they will still be around a year later? I would ask you what job you do by comparison, and what you or you employer would provide for £35.00. Are any of these companies NSI or SSAIB approved by the way? Also, you haven't mentioned monitoring, i.e. what happens when the alarm goes off. Let us know Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Go back to different (approved) companies and ask them to quote for a professional system and not the DIY garbage listed above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hope you liked my use of comic sans for the £35. Does the proprietor sleep in the D-reg astramax at night? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichL Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Visonic Wireless System (not entirely sure which one) - 4 PIRS & Door Contact Supply & Install 520 - Unsure on maintenance, waiting for info. Visonic Powermax - 8 PIRS & Door Contact Supply & Install 518.75 - 12 months guarantee / 35 per year maintenance. Pyronix Enforcer - 5 PIRS & 2 Door Contacts Supply & Install 560 - 12 months guarantee / 60 per year maintenance. What are your thoughts on the above, I would welcome anyone input. Thanks in advance Leigh Enforcer is fine, being 2 way its a different league in terms of quality and reliabilty from 1 way. Swerve visonic. Quote Originally said by Charles Babbage On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 As above, nothing wrong with the enforcer. Quote I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Enforcer for me aswell. Decent kit and decent price. Is it a hard wired or wireless bell? The reason for this is imo the maintenance will not include replacement batteries..... If it does then I would go for that. If not then check charge for replacement and how often the batteries are replaced. Edited July 21, 2014 by Alarm Protection Quote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Go back to different (approved) companies and ask them to quote for a professional system and not the DIY garbage listed above. Ronnie, I'm sure you said previously you'd used the Enforcer, under duress of course. I may be wrong though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 We have a lot of Gardtec wireless out there and they are no probs at all. This is G2 so I would consider that a pro kit. How would you see this RFS? Quote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Ronnie, I'm sure you said previously you'd used the Enforcer, under duress of course. I may be wrong though. We have and then realised the error of our ways. I made the assumption the way forward was "if you can't beat them, join them".. I was so wrong. Installing carte blanche wireless is a huge mistake in my opinion. I also think retracting too far from the approved/URN market is also a huge mistake. We'll keep on plodding on fitted our outdated wired systems and at some point we're going to be king as we'll be one of the few firms left who actually provide a solid, reliable solution. We have a lot of Gardtec wireless out there and they are no probs at all. This is G2 so I would consider that a pro kit. How would you see this RFS? Without any 3rd party approval they can stamp it with whatever they feel like.. That doesn't make it any good. We have and then realised the error of our ways. I made the assumption the way forward was "if you can't beat them, join them".. I was so wrong. Installing carte blanche wireless is a huge mistake in my opinion. I also think retracting too far from the approved/URN market is also a huge mistake. We'll keep on plodding on fitted our outdated wired systems and at some point we're going to be king as we'll be one of the few firms left who actually provide a solid, reliable solution. Without any 3rd party approval they can stamp it with whatever they feel like.. That doesn't make it any good. obviously just my opinion of course.. i could be wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 At the risk of bursting your bubble, 3rd party cert doesn't make it good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 At the risk of bursting your bubble, 3rd party cert doesn't make it good. Tell me about it..I have plenty of problems ongoing with 3rd party approved kit. but being 3rd party approved doesn't mean it will work 100% anyway, it just means that it's compliant with whatever standard it's been tested against. It's at least a step better than not being 3rd party approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What equipment has 3rd party approval? Risco wireless with the 490,600 has been fault free for years now. We have to wire in bell and RKP but no probs at all for a long time. The enforcer is another panel that is good and does what it says. I still see the Risco 490 etc as an installer kit as you can buy them DIY but the programming is so different from the mainstream panels out there. Quote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What equipment has 3rd party approval?? The one you are trying to buy up there. But a little issue or 3 shows the 3rd party cert to be of no value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 What equipment has 3rd party approval? Risco wireless with the 490,600 has been fault free for years now. We have to wire in bell and RKP but no probs at all for a long time. The enforcer is another panel that is good and does what it says. I still see the Risco 490 etc as an installer kit as you can buy them DIY but the programming is so different from the mainstream panels out there. Each to their own mate, I don't like Risco panels but I've never used them really (don't you find the buttons really hard to press?).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwc Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Just to say some of our original 30 year old customers still pay there original £35 a year and we have 1000s of customers. We are approved and give a full service for that. Prices have increased each year but whatever they pay the first year its stays the same. We are the biggest installer in our area beating most of the competition. High prices don't always means high quality as we know from what we take over most weeks. By the way we did not quote this op just note about pricing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 3rd party cert to be of no value. Unless needed to substantiate claims of compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 £35.00 pa it costs me £37.50 to send an engineer somewhere. What sort of service would you get for £35pa and how long before the chap charging it goes bust, or what sort of cover he provides whilst he is on holiday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 £35.00 pa it costs me £37.50 to send an engineer somewhere. What sort of service would you get for £35pa and how long before the chap charging it goes bust, or what sort of cover he provides whilst he is on holiday You should get a cheaper car then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Each to their own mate, I don't like Risco panels but I've never used them really (don't you find the buttons really hard to press?)..Buttons?Bit of a random one that Ronnie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 You mean the original 'tablet' shaped buttons or the new ones (in the old shape keypad housing)? Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) My leg pulling aside, I'm assuming thats p/h how on earth does it cost you that much £37.50? That can't be right. You never used one? The buttons are slightly recessed so when you push down you can feel the surround? I don't have fat fingers so assuming it was something everyone thought? When I do alarms it the product I use. Never found it an issue, or even noticed. Edited July 21, 2014 by Cubit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 When I do alarms it the product I use. Never found it an issue, or even noticed. You must have skinnier fingers than me then.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alarm Protection Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Iv never had a problem with pushing buttons on a Risco alarm keypad unless it's been 10 years and used everyday. What keypad is your favourite RFS? I'm intrigued by this observation. Quote ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Iv never had a problem with pushing buttons on a Risco alarm keypad unless it's been 10 years and used everyday. What keypad is your favourite RFS? I'm intrigued by this observation. I don't have a favourite keypad. I have preferred menu structures and the keypad happens to be the way to access these. However, I don't like the feel of texecom buttons, i quite like castle but my most preferred is galaxy. siemens & ats seem a bit small, risco - well we know what i think about that, can't say i come across any other keypads often enough to form an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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