g4m8l3r Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Hi guys, new to this forum so just like to say hello to anyone thats reading....a few years ago a friend of mine gave me a veritas 8 alarm panel, I was just talking about wiring my shed upto my current alarm system or putting a simple little one with a loud siren in just for the shed, shortly after he brought be a veritas 8 USED along with a (if i remember correctly) citdel belbox, with a engineers manual and codes, I set it all up and it was working for 18month or so however recently I have moved house so iv taken it with me, iv now come to wire it up to my garage, its all programmed now tested and works fine with the internal sounder, however I did loose track of my bell box that I previously had, now I do have some 12v 150ma 115db sirens kicking about , how would I go about wiring one of these up to the panel?Thanks in advanceCraig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 just connect them to 12v and the bell output on the panel. Just watch your output current. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 just connect them to 12v and the bell output on the panel. Just watch your output current. Lol. I remember before I got into doing this for a living buying a1 alarm kits from b&q and wiring 4 bells to 1 panel. Ouch. Also paralleled the tampers up as I knew no better at the time. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i probably wouldny of admitted that lol. id guess most spark would prefer normally open detectors securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 i probably wouldny of admitted that lol. id guess most spark would prefer normally open detectors Not sure it will do my reputation much good! Just shows though how a numpty DIYer can learn all the way up the ranks. I was about 13 at the time. I hooked a radio transmitter (about 30a current draw at 12v) over 200m of flex and I couldn't work out why it wouldn't work. My introduction to voltage drop . . . www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Think I was about 11 and my dad gave me a box of relays and contacts. Some bells, cable and a 6ah battery. I soon found out shorting across the battery gave you a hot hand and melted plastic. Got it working though, (Forgot , pressure mats too). Mum would come in the bedroom and open a wardrobe and the bells would latch on..............really funny as I was at school and had the key for the keyswitch!!! A few slaps convinced me to leave her a key Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 ah 13. I was making control panels at school (basic granted) and writing software on the bbc. My GSCE in computer studies was quite a complex app called 'alarm manager' Got me a B. The code was good but i didnt do the required paperwork on it. I hate paper! securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I just discovered fapping then Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Think I was about 11 and my dad gave me a box of relays and contacts. Some bells, cable and a 6ah battery. I soon found out shorting across the battery gave you a hot hand and melted plastic. Got it working though, (Forgot , pressure mats too). Mum would come in the bedroom and open a wardrobe and the bells would latch on..............really funny as I was at school and had the key for the keyswitch!!! A few slaps convinced me to leave her a key But wasn't it doing stuff like this that made us engineers rather than to the numpties that claim they are these days? I took the back of a TV as a kid for a poke around and unplugged from the mains for 'safety', touched a capacitor and ended up in next week. My introduction to capacitors. Although I was a kid, remember these mad experiments as if they were yesterday and I learnt so much from them. Having a cb and playing with different bands and antennas taught me so much about radio. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Agree. Loved the electronics kits you could and can still buy from Maplins. Then it was the top toy shops (Am older than you remember). Licked the Scalextric Track once, that stung. Bet with brother, no wonder he became a Plumber/Charge hand. We used to bleed over everyone when in the car, kept the base station low. ISH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I had an 11m pirate radio so had access to fm,am,lsb,ssb etc and it fascinated me that different ones could do such different things in terms if distance and sound. It gave me the foundation stones to eventually become a ham. I don't think kids today care less how anything works. There's an app for that as they say. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Agreed again. P1ssed me off when I had to rebuild the sons mountain bikes because they didnt know how to change brakes, upgrade gears renew stretched cables. They expected new bikes. Soon changed their grins when I told them I had new stuff and when they came over gave them spanners, and all the parts. Now they know some basic mechanics too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4m8l3r Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 hi guys, when I connect it to the 12v+ and bell -trig the siren is very quiet, however if i connect it to a 500ma bench psu then it is alot louder...the siren output is supposed to be 500ma,,, any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Cable run? Voltage drop? Tried using a DVM and testing the voltages and power? Errr 12vdc and trig? what about the hard neg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 It seems to be the simple things that flaws them. I'm no mechanic but I could change a tyre or a battery to get me out of a hole or jump my car. I wonder what they learn in schools these days. My daughters as bad. Anything doesn't work IT wise, ask dad. Why bother researching as this techno stuff is boring and my dad knows how to do it. I'm the complete opposite, I want to know how to do it so I'm it dependant on someone else. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4m8l3r Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Cable run? Voltage drop? Tried using a DVM and testing the voltages and power? Errr 12vdc and trig? what about the hard neg? iv put the sirens cable directly onto the terminals to make sure the cable length wouldn't cause problems, I have 13v coming from the bell output, sorry it is a hard neg and a positive trigger. I have put the siren on the hard 12v+/- and it is at full volume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 now I do have some 12v 150ma 115db sirens kicking about Worries me. What are they and how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzies Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Panel in scb mode? Got a b in electronics and cdt gcse for my ultrasonic wirefree disabled alarm, a joint project shared between the two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4m8l3r Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share Posted February 20, 2013 Worries me. What are they and how many? well 1 of them no longer has a original sticker on it just my writing in permanent marker saying 12v 150ma, and the other 2 are http://www.maplin.co.uk/weatherproof-siren-12564 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 you are wiring the neg to the bell output? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4m8l3r Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 Panel in scb mode? Got a b in electronics and cdt gcse for my ultrasonic wirefree disabled alarm, a joint project shared between the two sorry scb mode? what is that exactly?, sorry this is the first and only alarm iv ever fitted so very limited knowledge on these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 dont worry mate another discussion going on i think. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g4m8l3r Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share Posted February 21, 2013 dont worry mate another discussion going on i think. oh right sorry , i think its time I gave up and got some rest lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 404 on the link But yes , could be SCB. Time for sleep. Come back tomorr...............ahh it is. Later, much later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted February 21, 2013 Share Posted February 21, 2013 Far left connections 12v and 0v. Not aux in the middle. You need a link of wire between 0v and bell tamp return too. This is also on the far left of the pcb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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